Gidday Sue, Now thats interesting, I have a GGrandfather, James Crane Norrie married 18 Dec 1879. I have a handwritten family tree from my grandmother that states her in-laws' parents as Joseph and Jane. I have been chasing around in the LDS site for a Jane Crane (based on the traditional Scottish naming custom) with no luck, but have tentatively pencilled in James Norrie and Jane Allen as possibles because the dates and area are roughly right. No proof whatsoever yet, of course, but can you fill in any gaps? Wishful thinking maybe... James Crane Norrie was a paper mill worker in Glasgow at the time of his first son James Ritchie Norries birth in 1886 (my Grandfather). His 2nd son was called Joseph. James R emigrated via Canada to New Zealand, Joseph went direct to NZ.