I became interested in tracing my family through an Ancestry.com promotion on “Good Morning America” in November of 2007.Thus far, I’ve concentrated on my mother’s Walker line and my father’s Ogden forbears.My concern here is with a specific section of the Ogden path.
From my paternal grandmother, Mary Sirgey, I learned, as a child, that my grandfather Ogden’s father was named Daniel and that Daniel’s father was Lemuel.I remember this because I (we) laughed at the name Lemuel.Daniel and Lemuel both appear (with others of the family) on page 5 of the Herrick Township, Susquehanna, Pennsylvania, section of the 1850 U.S. Census.Also appearing on the same page are a Truman Ogden (age 31) and a Sarah (75), and three pages earlier the family of an Elisha Ogden (40).Herrick census reports from 1830 and 1840 show Lemuel an entry or two removed from an older Daniel whom I ASSUMED to be the husband of Sarah and father of Lemuel, Truman and Elisha.An online search had also turned up a Butler-Glushko website whose earliest entrants, the parents of Eleanor Ogden, were a Daniel and Sarah (Bloomer) Ogden who had reportedly come to Susquehanna County, Pennsylvania from Dutchess County, New York.
At this point in time I contacted the Susquehanna Historical Society and requested a paid search of Lemuel Ogden.Among the materials included with my final report were excerpts from Stocker’s (1887) Centennial History of Susquehanna County and the J.H. Beers & Co. publication, Commemorative Biographical Record of Northeastern Pennsylvania, Part 1 (1900).Both listed Daniel and Sarah as the parents of Lemuel and reiterated that the journey to Herrick Township had begun in Dutchess County, New York.
A paid search by the Dutchess County Historical Society turned up no Daniel (yes…a Bloomer will was there and it included a Sarah), but the researcher did point to a Daniel Ogden family living in Mamakating Township, Ulster County, New York as evidenced in the 1800 U.S. Census.Moreover, and this was my own observation, they were living an entry away from a Joseph Ogden family…a Joseph Ogden of an age to be Daniel’s father.The 1810 U.S. Census yielded nothing, but 1820 found Daniel (with family) and Joseph (alone) living in Mount Pleasant, Wayne, Pennsylvania.Mamakating and Mount Pleasant are roughly on a line between Fishkill, Dutchess, New York and Herrick, Susquehanna, Pennsylvania.
Two paid searches (the first well worth it, the second of no use…I wanted a search for Daniel’s children but got – since the first researcher had died – a rehash of what the first lady had already uncovered) by the Sullivan County Historical Society (mainly from Quinlan’s History of Sullivan County) revealed (1) that a Joseph Ogden had been present at the 7 March 1788 organizational meeting when Mamakating was created and had claimed the first two (and I’ve always assumed, from context clues, these were at the northern boundary) sections for lumbering purposes, (2) that Daniel Ogden was listed in 1812 as one of thirty-three tax-payers with assets in excess of $1,000 (therefore, they were still in town during the 1810 U.S. census…just not counted) and (3) Joseph’s wife was a Bloomer (I think the writer – doing so at a future time – got it wrong…Daniel was the one married to the Bloomer).A visit to the Mamakating Historical Society last summer found 1799 town records for Daniel and Joseph and located a bit of oral history, fortunately recorded on the pages of the 4 December 1960 Mamakating Advertiser, which testified that the two were probably not alone but part of what might be thought of as a mini-migration.
After the Revolutionary war, the Indians being driven back from our frontier settlements, in the last decade of A.D 1700, about twelve or fifteen families, from the east side of the Shawangunk mountain – mostly from Orange and Dutchess counties – crossed the mountains to the north part of Mamakating Hollow, and located between Sandburg and Long Bridge (now known as Spring Glen), and Summitville.
The narration went on to note that the newcomers – consisting of a variety of mixed nationalities, most practicing the lightly regarded or openly despised Methodist faith and bearing names like Budd, Sawyer, Hosier, Hanyen, Ogden, Bloomer, Ryder, Caldwell, Horton, Cudney and Tice – were regarded with suspicion.Of the nineteen entries on the 1800 Mamakating, Ulster, New York, census page containing the families of Daniel and Joseph (they are the last two…northern edge of town?), twelve are identical to one or another of the above names and another two might conceivably match up with what an uninformed census-taker with an untrained ear might mistakenly record for Hanyen, and…upon arriving in Susquehanna County, Daniel was Group leader of the first Methodist study group in East Ararat (even before the Church building).
I’ve also taken the 67-Marker Y-DNA test – no perfect matches – and communication with one of the two gentlemen with which I record a genetic distance of one led me to two items in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (NYG&BR) …
Vol 55 (1924), page 30:Joseph Ogden of Rumbout Precinct, Dutchess Co., farmer, and Susannah his wife, deed land in North Castle to Gabriel Archer. 21 March 1788.
Vol 56 (1925), page 126:Gilbert Thorn of North Castle will, dated 12 Jan 1791, devises to daughter Susanna Ogden and grandson Daniel Ogden.Probate 02 Feb 1799.
The above would (and I AM willing to live with the Susannah/Susanna dichotomy as the product of inadequate recording and/or shabby proofreading) indicate both a husband/wife and parent/son relationship.My problem (and I suspect you’ve spotted it) is in establishing that this Dutchess Joseph and Dutchess Daniel are the same as the Mamakating Joseph and Daniel.
Two points about the above items…
#1From the first…this sale is two weeks to the day from the Mamakating organizational meeting at which Mamakating Joseph reserved two sections of land for lumbering…IF the two Josephs are one-in-the-same, might the land sale have been to finance the new venture?I suspect so.
#2While naming Daniel, the second item also refers to Susanna Ogden “and her children.”Does/might this indicate that Daniel was the only male?(1790 and 1800 U.S. Census reports show others – but they could be husbands/ laborers/etc. – and the long defunct Ogden Newsletter floated a few names…some of which I question).
Okay, back to Dutchess Joseph and Mamakating Joseph…the 1790 U.S. Census for Fishkill, Dutchess, New York (I’m not looking for them in Mamakating yet…I believe the move came 1792-95ish) contains Edmund, Nathan and “Humphry” (all from the line of John Ogden the Pilgrim…I suspect my DNA partners and myself are all descendents of John Ogden of Rye, and so do they), John (a young man with one child…I know nothing of him), a Benjamin (my Joseph’s brother I suspect) and two Josephs…one a Joseph Junior.The elder Joseph is acknowledged as of the John of Rye line and My ASSUMPTION is that this Joseph Junior is the elder Joseph’s son (why else would he be a Junior?) and MY Joseph, but I can’t prove it.
When William Ogden Wheeler was gathering information for his 1907 book, The Ogden Family in America (which turned out to be the family of John the Pilgrim…his family), he hired a small group of editor/researchers to visit Ogden homes and consult town records and gather whatever data could be found.On 9 February 1892 Lawrence Van Alstyne, who filled 25 notebooks with information from sites in Connecticut, New Jersey and New York, visited the Stormville, NY, home of James Palmer Ogden (a great grandson of the elder Joseph…and grandson of Benjamin) and recorded names and dates from a Family Bible.The problem…Joseph Junior was NOT listed…nor had he been found in the elder Joseph’s will, drafted 20 March 1798 and proved 1 March 1811.Before I started nagging them, most Ogden tree-makers were of the opinion that since Joseph Junior did not appear in the Dutchess pages of the 1800 U.S. Census, he had died prior to the writing of the will.
Clinging to my conjecture, I’ve proposed that a very much alive Joseph Junior and his married son Daniel exited Dutchess County leaving Joseph the elder so angry with the younger’s sale of family land and move to Mamakating (maybe just the first) that Joseph Junior was purged from family discourse and ultimately disinherited.James Palmer Ogden’s Bible, MORE THAN LIKELY filled in at some future date, and perhaps even by his wife or someone else with secondary or even more remote knowledge, also failed to include the names of two other siblings who WERE mentioned in the will…Mary and Sarah.
Thus, summarizing (conjecture and all), we have…
There was a Joseph Ogden/wife Susanna(h) in Dutchess County, NY,in 1788;
Susanna(h) Ogden, the mother of Daniel Ogden and others, was the daughter of Gilbert Thorn; and
The journey of Daniel & Sarah (Bloomer) Ogden began in New York’s Dutchess County and ended in Susuehanna County, Pennsylvania.
Joseph Ogden, Junior…born circa 1750;
Marriage to Susannah Thorn (b circa 1754) in late 1760s/early 1770s;
Daniel and siblings born 1770s – early/mid 1780s;
Not totally contented as a farmer Joseph explores opportunities in surrounding areas…this takes him to western Ulster County and the area that will become Mamakating;
Joseph signs 1775 Mamakating area patriot list and serves with New York Militia, this first part is shaky…just ASSUMING that the patriot signature was my Joseph on one of his visits to the area BUT…a Joseph Ogden DID serve in the Dutchess County Militia’s Second Regiment (as did a Benjamin) but…was it Joseph the elder or Joseph Junior?One would have been in his 50s the other in his 20s…I SUSPECT it was Joseph Junior and that the Benjamin was his brother because another (?) Joseph is listed among the “Land Boundary Rights” enlistees of the Militia’s Third Regiment along with Edm (Edmund?), Humphrey and Nathan (familiar names)…I suspect THESE are the older men;
Joseph farms in Dutchess County but when faced (7 March 1788) with the opportunity to begin his own sawmill and get in on the ground floor of a new community, SELLS (21 March 1788) family land (most of Joseph the elder’s brothers fled to New Brunswick during/after the Revolution or simply left the area leaving him as the primary heir to his father’s North Castle estate) to finance the venture…this earns Joseph senior’s DISAPPROVAL;
Joseph Jr. appears in the Fishkill pages of the U.S. Census of 1790…five males/five females;
Daniel marries Sarah Bloomer, circa 1791;
The families of Joseph Jr. and son Daniel make the permanent move (some time during 1792-1795) to Mamakating, Ulster, New York;
Joseph Jr. is NOT mentioned in his father’s Will, drawn up prior to 1798 and executed in 1811…this is not unusual, many individuals did not include family members who had left the area, but…the fact that Van Alstyne did not find Joseph’s name listed with those of brothers Benjamin and William and sisters Susannah, Anna/Annis and Zelpha/Zelphia...now known to be Zilpha (Mary and Sarah are also missing) in his great nephew James Palmer Ogden’s Bible during the research visit of 9 Feb 1892 could indicate that the exclusion had a deeper meaning;
The 1799 will of Gilbert Thorn mentions daughter Susannah Ogden, her children, and, specifically, grandson Daniel Ogden;
The families of Joseph and Daniel appear (the last two entries on the last page) in the Mamakating, Ulster County, New York section of the U.S. Census of 1800;
Daniel Ogden is listed as one of thirty-three 1812 inhabitants of Mamakating with assets in excess of $1,000;
Joseph and Daniel appear within a page of each other in the U.S. Census of 1820...they are residing in Mount Pleasant, Wayne County, Pennsylvania.There are no further accounts of Joseph, but Daniel moves on to The East Ararat region (then Herrick Township) of Pennsylvania’s Susquehanna County.
There’s more, but I will stop now…if you have access to Ancestry.com you can see my WROgden Family Tree (check out Joseph's and Daniel’s children).I’m sorry for all this rambling but I wanted you to see where I am and want you to be able to pinpoint where I am most in need of support.Joseph Junior vanishes after the 1790 U.S. Census to the extent that he is has become a non entity.His military records are credited to his father and Susanna/h is sometimes mentioned as Joseph the elder’s second wife.
Thanks for listening!And...if you spot something that strikes a chord, let me know.