I'm afraid of opening a huge can of worms here, but I have some questions and information that I wanted to post.
I am descended through George and Elizabeth through their son Samuel that married Deborah.
For several months I have been reading and researching all the info on the internet and recently in published works.
Here are a few of my questions and concerns:
1. George's parents: I have not found any information citing his parents as either Nicholas & Constance or John & Patience, or John & Prudence. The only reference to John & Prudence is the paragraphs in Francis Wayland Orvis book page11 " In 1616, there lived in Bardwell, Suffolk County, England; John Orvis and his wife Prudence. They had at least three children, two daughters and a son. Elizabeth was baptized 2 May 1619; Hamith, the son, April 1621, and the other daughter, Thomazin, on 10 August 1623, according to the records found in Miscellanae Genealogical Et Heraldica, Vol.5, page 321. It is regrettable that our knowledge of this Family is so meagre, but what there is of it is authentic." (Note that he has not mentioned George yet..he is stating that the family of John, Prudence, Elizabeth, Hamith and Thomazin is authentic)
Francis continues:" We might imagine that George Orvis was an older brother of Hamith, the son of John and Prudence, but we have no such record. His age would permit such contention. He did emigrate; it must have been about that time or a little later. His name was Orvis, and that was the way John and Prudence spelled their family name-not Orvice, as was used by some other branches of the family."
Now I have found the marriage record of the John & Prudence mentioned above and the christening records of their three children mentioned, but no connection to our George of Connecticut that married Elizabeth.
John Orvis (of Rattles den) married Prudence Crome(of Bardwell) in Woolpit, Suffolk, England 17 Nov 1618.
No Orvis christenings were found in the same area. Christening records for each of John & Prudence's known children; Elizabeth 1619, Hamath 1621, & Thomazin 1623,were found in Bardwell. No record of George was found.
A christening record of a George Orvis was found in Great Bentley, Essex, England on 4 November 1621 born to John Orvis & Constance.
Was unable to find any records of a George Orvis with parents of Nicholas & Constance,(which doesn't mean they don't exsist, just couldn't find it)
2. George Orvis being confused with George Orris, both were from England and came to America about the same time. George Orris came to America and pulled into port in Masachusetts and settled there. George Orvis went to and settled in Connecticut as early as 1639 (re:"Immigrant Ancestors: A list of 2,500 Immigrants to America before 1750." Frederick Adams Virkus). Still need to find more on this, but George of Connecticut, was not likely ths same George in Masachusetts.
3. George's wife Elizabeth Harrison, Gaylord, Weyborne, Wilburn, Carpenter, Bronson, Orvis....etcetera, etcetera. This one is an extreme sore spot. I think that what has happend here is that a cycle of mis- information has been used and reused over and over and the more it gets used, the more it is believed.
Here is what I have found so far(which some still needs to be proven, but it at least gives you the impression that her name truely isn't known yet). Let's start with what we know for fact: George Orvis married Elizabeth Carpenter, widow of David Carpenter, about 1652 in Hartford, Connecticut. So now we can cross off the names Carpenter and Orvis, we know where they came from. According to David Carpenter's Will dated 20 January 1650-1, he mentions wife, Elizabeth and children; Elizabeth, David and Mary. No other children mentioned would lead us to believe that Elizabeth Carpenter (Orvis) was his only wife that gave him children. Now according to George Orvis' probate record dated 1 June 1665,"...The Debts & legacies of ye Children of her first husband being discharged, the rest of the Estate to belong to ye Widow to bring up ye younger children."
This statement can safely bring us to the conclusion that before her marriage to George Orvis, Elizabeth's firsthusband was David Carpenter.
In Elizabeth's (Brunson) will dated 6 April 1694, she accounts for children; Samuel Orvis, Roger Orvis, Mary (Orvis) wife of Samuel Scott, David Carpenter, Mary Hinman (this is Mary Carpenter; just a note: two daughters by the name of Mary from the same mother, and both living?!?!, possibility of one being Mary and the other Marie? who knows), and Elizabeth (Carpenter) Hill.
She listed three Orvis children and three Carpenter children and no Bronson children.
So now, we know that Elizabeth first married David Carpenter, second George Orvis and third & last Richard Bronson. As for the Harrison, Gaylord, Weyborne(all variations included), etcetera, etcetera...we'll see. So, now if there is a 'super-sleuth' out there, maybe you can find the marriage of David Carpenter and Elizabeth (unknown). I plan on searching thoroughly for it as well. In the meantime, maybe we can all try to stop the cycle of misused information( I admit that I have been guilty of it in the past as well.), and piece together this puzzle using the right pieces, instead of 'forcing a circle into an oval' just because it looks like it might fit. Any 'polite' comments, questions or suggestions are welcomed.