Well this is interesting. In the last three days I've found a whole new branch of distant relatives. Hernicus Utman m'd Hannah Crowder in Fredericksburg,Dundas County ,Ontario,Canada. From them I am a decendent of his son Henry who married Jemima Harper and had among othersMary Alzina Utman who married Isaac Garret Hopper(Harper). I've been researching the Sauve line for tens years now and have found 38 name variations in English accross North America. Half a dozen or so for Ottman is easy. An IGI search show's the decendents went to Ohio,Wisconsin and West.