Descendants of Jean Pain/Pin
Compiled by Janet Manseau Donaldson
Use as a quide
Generation No. 1
1.Jean1 Pain/Pin was born about 1685 in New England or Old England.He married Marie Gervais/Herve.She was born about 1685 in New England or Old England.
Notes for Marie Gervais/Herve:
D'Angleterre in French means " from England".
Child of Jean Pain/Pin and Marie Gervais/Herve is:
+ 2 i. Jean-Baptiste2 Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born about 1708 in Salem, Mass., USA (New England) or Old England; died 22 May 1758 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.
Generation No. 2
2.Jean-Baptiste2 Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois (Jean1 Pain/Pin) was born about 1708 in Salem, Mass., USA (New England) or Old England, and died 22 May 1758 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.He married (1) Marie-Josephe Brisson-dit-Dutilly 03 Feb 1732 in Ste. Anne de la Pocatière, QC (ct. Etienne Janeaux), daughter of Jean Brisson-dit-Dutilly and Marie-Catherine Dancosse.She was born 23 Mar 1708 in Rivière Ouelle, Kamouraska, QC, and died 04 Nov 1744 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.He married (2) Marie-Basile Dessaint-dit-St.Pierre 30 Jun 1745 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC (ct. 28 Jun 1745, J. Dionne), daughter of Ignace Dessaint-dit-St.Pierre and Marie-Madeleine Pelletier.She was born 11 Dec 1722 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC, and died 07 Jun 1814 in St. Jean Port Joli, QC.
Notes for Jean-Baptiste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois:
PRDH: Individual# 79438
JEAN BAPTISTEPIN LANGLOISStatus(es) : Immigrant
Father : JEANPIN
Mother : MARIEGERVAIS HERVE
Birth :around 1708angleterre (royaume-uni) ou v. salem, nouvelle-angleterre (co. essex, massachusetts, etats-unis)
I was told that JB's grandfather was Philip English (Philippe Langlois).I did not find the proof that would satisfy me.With the great business life and witchcraft going on in Philip's life, I would like to have Philip as my ancestor. Below are some of my reasons for not wanting to make this connection.
It is too bad that in the 1600 and 1700s that the law in New England did not require the couple to record their parents names or if they were the widow/widower with the name of their pervious spouse.
So are we sure that Phillip English that married Sarah Ingersoll in 1698, is the widow of Mary Hollingworth?None of the article that I have read say anything of this famous man having a second wife nor do they mention the children that may have come from this second marriage.You say that they had a son Jean.If they did, he would have been born after 1698 and he would have been too young to be the father of my JB that was born about 1708 and first married in 1732.
Now when it comes to my ancestor Jean-Baptiste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois born about 1708, it clearly states (according to PRDH) that he was the son of Jean Pain/Pin and Marie Gervais/Gerve/Herve.The different spellings come from different documents that PRDH has studied.
New France like Old France required that the original names of the parents of both spouses be recorded.According to PRDH’s records, JB’s first marriage contract to Marie Josephe Brisson, notary Etienne Janeaux records his mother as Marie Gerve andin JB’s second marriage, Father Duchouquet recorded his mother as Marie Herve.It could very well be that JB could not spell his mother’s name and that is why the different names.
By law everyone was required to list their father’s original name.JB’s father was recorded as Jean Pain both times and never as Anglois/English.None of the articles that I have read so far refer Philippe as Pain/Pin.
PRDH claim that JB’s origine is either New England or Old England.No one knows for sure.
I went to PRDH and between 1600 to 1799 the name Langlois was an aka (dit) name for 82 other surnames.
Pain/Pin is JB’ the original name and later on he picked up the aka or dit name Langlois as did many others that came from New England or Old England.
By taking on the dit name Langlois (translates to English) it would have set JB apart from the descendants of pioneer Marin Pin/Pain from Normandie France who had sons Jean and Jean-Baptiste.
I also find it difficult that my JB was the grandson of the famous Philip English and never named any of his children Philippe.
Children of Jean-Baptiste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois and Marie-Josephe Brisson-dit-Dutilly are:
3 i. Jean-Baptiste3 Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 07 Nov 1732 in Ste. Anne de la Pocatière, QC.
4 ii. Marie-Josephe Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 14 Nov 1734 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 05 Aug 1816 in L'Islet, QC.She married (1) Pierre-Roch Gagnon 21 Jun 1756 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; born about 1732 in Unknown, QC; died 18 Apr 1757 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.She married (2) Jean-Baptiste Couillard-dit-Despres-Lepine 31 Jul 1758 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; born 23 Jun 1732 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC; died 23 Apr 1821 in L'Islet, QC.
5 iii. Marie-Francoise Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 08 Jan 1737 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.She married Joseph Miville-dit-Deschenes 19 Nov 1764 in Ste. Anne de la Pocatière, Kamouraska, QC; born 21 Sep 1742 in Ste. Anne de la Pocatière, QC.
6 iv. Marie-Joseph Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 10 Feb 1740 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 27 Feb 1740 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.
7 v. Louise-Madeleine Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 14 Oct 1742 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.She married Charles-Francois Fortin-dit-Bellefontaine Oct 1761 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC; born 13 Jan 1737 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC.
Children of Jean-Baptiste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois and Marie-Basile Dessaint-dit-St.Pierre are:
8 i. Marie-Catherine3 Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 24 Apr 1746 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 02 Oct 1828 in Cap St. Ignace, QC.She married Pierre Cloutier 12 Aug 1765 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC; born 31 Mar 1743 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC; died 30 Oct 1809 in Cap St. Ignace, Montmagny, QC.
9 ii. Marie-Modeste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 11 May 1747 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 04 Oct 1830 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC.She married Francois Morin-dit-Valcourt 17 Feb 1772 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC (ct. 3 Feb, N. Dupont); born 22 Jan 1728 in Montmagny, QC; died 07 Feb 1796 in L'Islet, l'Islet, QC.
Notes for Francois Morin-dit-Valcourt:
Francois was the fifth cousin to his wife Modeste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois by way of Guillaume Langlois and Jeanne Milette (Millet).Francois was the fifth cousin to his wife Modeste Pain/Pin-Langlois by way of Guillaume Langlois and Jeanne Milette (Millet).
10 iii. Marie-Charlotte Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 27 Oct 1748 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.
11 iv. Henri-Marie-Andre Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 23 Mar 1750 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 20 Sep 1823 in Ste. Martine, QC.He married (1) Marie-Catherine Desautels-dit-Lapointe 01 Feb 1779 in Longue Pointe, QC; born 10 Dec 1761 in Longue Pointe, QC; died 12 Apr 1788 in Longue Pointe, QC.He married (2) Marei Lafond-dit-Lagrenade, (Guill.& M.M. Amiot) 06 Feb 1792 in Montréal, QC; born about 1759 in Unknown, QC.
12 v. Jean-Francois Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 16 Aug 1751 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 05 Oct 1752 in Les Écureuils, QC.
13 vi. Jean-Baptiste Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 29 Mar 1753 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 06 Dec 1817 in Rivière des Prairies, QC.He married Marie-Suzanne Cadieux, (Joseph & M. S. Coutance) 28 Jan 1788 in Rivière des Prairies, QC; born 12 Oct 1755 in Rivière des Prairies, QC; died 06 Jul 1821 in Rivière des Prairies, QC.
14 vii. Marie-Euphrosine-Euphrasie Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 13 Dec 1754 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 20 Sep 1840 in L'Islet, QC.She married Michel Theberge, (Michel & M. Marthe Tondreau) 15 Jan 1778 in L'Islet, QC; born about 1753 in Unknown, QC; died 23 Aug 1836 in L'Islet, QC.
15 viii. Pierre-Roch Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 09 Mar 1756 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC; died 16 Mar 1756 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.
16 ix. Charles-Amable Pain/Pin-dit-Langlois, born 08 Jun 1757 in St. Roch des Aulnaies, QC.
Hi, I have decided to post all my Québec pioneer ancestor at the different GenForums because a lot of individuals doing genealogy research don’t realize that their ancestors can be found as early as the 1600s.
My resources are limited because I live in Oregon. I hope that you use this information only as a guide. I welcome corrections and additions from anyone that has access to the original files.
Originally I paid a genealogy society to trace the direct lines for 6 of my 8 great grandparents. They used the books that were compiled by volunteers for each parish. Because so many individuals had the same name, I eventually found some errors in these books. Then I used Tanguay and found out that he may be about 75% right and Jette (that goes to 1730) is about 90% right. Then just as I thought that I was finished, I found PRDH (University of Montreal) and I believe that they may be 98% right and still make corrections to their records. They go up to 1799 for marriage contracts and 1850 for some deaths. Some people have the luxury of having the original records at their disposal. I do not have that and with 17,000 individuals in my data base, I can not afford to pay for copies of all the originals. At that point I confirmed every that I had with the records at PRDH. Whenever I say “about” for a birth date it means that PRDH did not find it or if it is in the 1800s, I did not look it up because of my lack of resources.
PRDH uses the most common spelling variation for the names. This makes it easier to trace the families. They do not always use the original name that appears on the contracts or birth records. That is ok with me, because many individuals before the 1900s could not sign their names and did not even care how others spelt it. As a result the same person’s name took on a variety of spellings. I also kept the “dit” (aka) names because eventually brothers from the same family, picked a different aka name.For a very small fee PRDH has all the Canadian records from 1600-1799 and some death dates up to 1850.Their records are about 18% accurate.They can be found at:
As for the pioneers, I also used Peter Gagné’s English books on the single girls that arrived in New France between 1634 & 1662 and his book on the single girls that are referred to as the King’s Daughters that arrived between 1663 & 1673. These girls were recruited and paid by the King to go to New France (Québec) to get married and colonize the area.
For the 1800-1900s I paid to prove my direct lines.My data for their extended family come from people on the web. The program that I use does not allow for baptismal dates, so if I don’t have a birth date, I use the baptismal date. The same goes for death vs. burial dates and actual wedding vs. contract dates. The newer programs have these features, but I will not be going through 18,000 records to make the changes.
Use this information as a guide only. I view genealogy as a hobby and not as pure science.As for the stories, I got them all in French on the web and I translated them for my grandchildren.I had not read or spoken French in over 40 years, so it was difficult and may not be the best translation.