Re: Opechancanough-Uncle to Pocahontas
Albert: I have gone back over your other messages on this genforum and with my own research I have to agree whole-heartedly with you that Pocahontas and Cleopatre were definetely NOT Princesses. In order to be one you had to be in line to inherit a Kingdom of some kind. This was NOT so in their case. And I haven't found any reference to two of the brothers whose names we find,(Porchins and Nantequos) as being 'Princes' either. Even being in line to 'chief' a tribe was not sufficient to to be addressed as 'Prince. I have searched many of the books given as the source for the -M- of Opie and Cleo and these books do NOT back up that idea. I have seen Kegleys 'Virginia,a Saga' and no mention of Cleopatre or Opechanough are in there. It does say that a white trader -M- an Indian squaw but gives no names. Other books,most of which are available in this New York Library just repeat what has been published before which was wrong and give no sources.
'Amherst Co.Va.' by Bailey Fulton Davis.---
'The Amherst Co.,Story' by Alfred Percy---
'The Cabells and their Kin' by A. Brown-(a well referred source which is wrong,itdoes not mention this -M-),---
'The Cabell Family' by Thomas F.Davis---
'The Cabell Family' Uncatalogued material by Catherine M.C.Hardie,(on fillm and a single page devoted to the descendants of Powhaton and gives Opechancanough as the husband of Cleopatre,not published as a book,written in 1933)---'Cabell Family',uncatalogued material
call # APTF, CABELL, NYC lIBRARY---
'BIOLOGICAL AND GENE. FLOYD FAMILY OF KY. AND VA', by Nicholas Jackson Floyd,(and the only one that makes any sence in all of this),---
'Floyd History' 1695,by Thomas Floyd Jones---
'The Cabell Descendants' 1915 by Joseph A. Mudd---
'Genealogical Notes collected by George Lockhart Rives'(a collateral line that -M- into the Davis and Floyd lines,by
Francis Bayard Rives,--- and some others, none ever mentioning princesses or princes or the -M- of this uncle to his neice.Also nothing from the early ministers,Meade,Whitaker,et.al.
If anyone has an actual early source for this I would like to have it; period. I even read some of Capt. John Smiths's History of Virginia etc. and found no mention of this. I did find that there are critics of Smith's that think he lied to his Queen about Pocahontas in his introduction letter to her but that's another story. N>J>Floyd says that a trader Hughes -M- Nickitti and Ccleo was her mother and a Cayuga Chief was the father. And a Davis -M- the daughter, Elizabeth.That her father was a Cayuga Chief etc. and he tells of that Maryland Document of Thomas Rolfe,Opechancanough and Cleopatre and his mother,Pocahontas. And that's it. So since Floyd is the oldest,1680, and I find nothing to refute it, I'm going 'gently' with Floyd.
Brown,(The Cabells and their Kin),mentions customs in the Floyd families but does 'NOT' mention N>J>Floyd or if he ever read him. He, Floyd,mentions 'Cornstalk' as a descendant of Cleopatre. And says that Cleo was Powhatan's in his old age. In one instance I read that Opie had a daughter in his old age.
And on it goes. Thanks for clearing up that business of Princes and Princesses. Maybe it was because of the crowning' of Powhatan as a King that made the application of Royalty to that family. Regards;Elton