Re: Who were Nathaniel's children.
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Re: Who were Nathaniel's children.
Roy Maynor 11/14/01
Nathaniel, Sr. who was listed on the 1790 Sampson County census as the head of a household of 13 non-white persons.
Nathaniel is listed on the 1784 tax list as having one free poll and one black poll at the time that census was made. If there was an Indian in the household he would not have been charged a poll for "her"?. We need to check this to see if the black poll was a female or if he had someone in the house whom he would not have been taxed on? He owned no land at that time. This came from tax list page 63. Now he could have just started out in life and had one slave and then married that year nad could have had 6 or seven children by the time 1790 rolled around the other thing is he could have had some children in the household who were bound. I will go look at the 1790 census and see how many children, white and black persons were in the household in 1790. I feel that this Nat. is Nat.Sr. would have to be since Nat Jr. was not born until about 1780.
Subtracting from the 13 for Nathaniel and his wife, and assuming all the remaining persons in his household are his children, and subtracting a year for each one, and further assuming Nathaniel to have been 21 when be began having children, I put his birth at 1758 or earlier. [ Note: I believe Nathaniel to be the father of my gggg grandmother, Nancy Revell. ]
There were certainly women in household that are not accounted for in any of the family groups that any of us have had so far. Just as I believe Nat. Jr. had daughters not mentioned in his will of 1864. Some had left the state and some had died like his two older sons Sampson/Samuel and Raiford.
It is very true that the area where this Charles Revell is living is the area where the villages of the Metompkin tribe was located. I saw the microfilmed copies of vestry records which told of Indian children being placed in the homes of the colonists to be groomed as house servants. These children were educated and some could speak more than one language, french, latin and such. They were not treated as field hands but were treated like members of ones family. The colonist was paid the equal to british sterling for each Indian child in the household. Edmund had at one time, believe while james was in the household,at least five other Indians. This is found in the Tithables (tax lists) for those early years. Some Indians were poorly treated like by Henry Scarborough and were in the vestry court records when they had to prove that their bond time had passed and they could go back to their villages. Also the colonist did not go out and hunt their own game but hired Indians to do such jobs for them and the Indian became an employee just for that purpose or to go out and kill wolves which would attack the livestock. So there was a lot of interaction between these friendly tribes and there was a lot of children who were baptised just like Pocahuntas was at an early age and given a christian name. The Indian names were not easy to pronounce and it was only practical to give them a christian name as the British colonists saw the situation. They gave the child a christian name when they were baptised and from that time forward the children were called by that name since they had no christian surname they just were called by the host colonists' surname in order to diferentuate between the James, John, Sam one the adjoining plantations as like we have found over and over when going through these old records the same names were used over and over and even confuse us today when we try to sort out children in family groups.
1st generation = James 1 Revell, the Indian (his Indian name never recorded in the Accomack County court records), born 1656. A full blooded
["Occanock" or something like was the name for the group that the Metompkin fell under, I will need to check my notes]
Accomac Indian from the village of Matomkin. Apprenticed in October, 1667 (along with fellow 11 year old Matompkin villager, Wincewough). James Revell, the Indian was apprenticed to Edward Revell, possibly with his Matompkin village chief, or great man, Amongus in court to witness the apprenticeship. James and his Matompkin (?) Indian friend (relative ?), Dick Shooes, cooperated in a successful hog raising enterprize. James died in the autumn of 1681, at the age of 25, just days before his apprenticeship was to expire.
There is a lot more about the other indians in the colonial records. Forget which one but one ran away as he was being mistreated, believe by Scarborough. But Dick Shooes was the one I think who ran away or maybe it was Wincwough, but he was then placed with a more kind family. I have searched for the baptismal records and have even contacted scholars in Great Britian in an effort to locate early baptismals of the Indian children. William and Mary College was created as an Indian school just for the purpose of educating Indians. As one will find by reading the early written accounts of life in the colonies it was a primary concern to christianize the indians and to educate them. Many white people felt it would bring peace and tranquilty. One Indian, forget who once said, "The white man had the bible and we had the land, now we have the bible and they have the land". By the time our Indian ancestors left VA to come down into va they were erronously listed as fpc or fcp as they were not white. That did not clarify who they were just that they were not white. There were a lot more Indians in the colony as there was slaves and free blacks and some who melded into white society just got lumped into one classification and that was either mulatto or fcp free black depending upon the mind set of the person who was recording the information into early documents. I never understood why early researchers could not see all of this as clearly as I saw it when I got into the early colonial records. Even as a child I would not accept the fact that "all" of the Colonists placed here early "Colonists of Roanoke Island" perished. Just could not and would not accept it. My teacher was very upset with me at the time. Guess even then the Indian in me was crying out to people to know that we are here...we did not all die off or go to Reservations...
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