Re: Ripley family (controversy)

dear brad,
richard ripley did much research on the name ripley,but his explanations about the ripleys of norfolk are confused and inexact,mostly romantic!
yes there were ripleys living in wymondham and simply wm his wife and 4 children didleave england in 1638 on a ship called the diligent,with passengers all from norfolk,may it please richard!
michael
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sujet :       Re: adjustings
Date :       02/09/01
A :       verdego@hotmail.com
CC :       (mripley@gvie.generali.fr)

dear richard,
very pleasant to debate but both parties should take account of each one's arguments!
ok for the exactitude of the lds microfilms ,i sometimes consult herein marseille,and
i do admit that a minimum of 2 william ripleys did exist in the same time;but why wouldn't you?
i personnaly consulted ,on two stays in norwich in 1975 and 1982,the parish registers of wramplingham and wymondham-and all the entries i mentioned are easy to check,for instance in lds registers- as well as others documents including a muster roll of 1577(nflk record office,"nro") mentioning at wramplingham a selected man called "willm ruplie",doubtless the glover ,father or the emigrant,who then moved to wymondham.both are mentioned in the"booke of the losses by the fire 11th june 1615"(nflk pub library),which proves thatwilliam the emigrant was living in wymondham at that time(his 4 children were born in wymondham beetween1616 and 1627
have you any reason to contest charles e books sources who writes that the diligent left ipswich in june and arrived aug 10(1638) at boston?
i think the point is to change a point of view,which requires arguments(see above)
one thing is sure:there was only one ripley family on this ship,though others will emigrate on other ships at other times to america
actually:william(the glover) who married sicelye reeve at wramplingham july 5th 1579,after his previous wife(he married apr 1st 1574)margarett thomsonhad died dec 1st 1575, was probably born around 1550....but where(wramplingham registers begin in 1566),and who were his parents etc etc..
that is the question!
this is the difficult part of genealogy,whenparish registers are lacking,can you help me?
michael
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Sujet :       adjustings
Date :       27/07/01
A :       RicharRipley
dear richard i fear that LDS are a rich source of datas but sometimes confused!:let's check some points with you:
1)i 've searched in nflk archives and did not find that wm was bapt apr 1st 1557,which, if true,give us then his parents names and place of b(kingston?)can you confirm?
2)wm and sicely had:eliz(b 1580)rich(b1582)ffraunces(b1584)robt(b1586 & d 1644))wm(b 1588)abraham(b1591)john(b1592)anne(b&d1594)thus robt could not have been twin with wm!!!
3)why would amia jackson(from swanton abbot)and wm(from wramplingham)have married in whitby(yorkshire)..can you explain?
4)it seems they had:ab(b1624)sarah(b1631)...and eliz(b1639)when they left england in 1638!!??please check
5)they travelled with their probably 4 children(and not 2 +2 "cousins")
infact:one mary bapt 1617 was the daughter of richard(aforesaid)one john bapt 1626 was the son of robert(aforesaid,dead in 1644 and not in 1632 as is mentioned in your site)
it is unlikely that 2 nephews of wm,children of his 2 brothers ,would have let their parents (if not dead),brothers and sisters and 6 uncles and aunts to face bravely the new world!!!
i'd rather think that wm travelled with his own 4 children(please mind that wymondham parish registers burnt in the fire of 1615,and no entry can be found before that date!
6)wm did not marry beteress finch(but his homonymous maybe did?)as long as he was in 1615 the husband of eliz smyth,who was buried in 1623 as "eliz ripply,widow"
nevertheless:wm could have been called "wm robert",if LDS(?)entry n°I11528 is true and exact?
i would be pleased to have,dear probable cousin,more informaztion to share with you!
best regards
michael
ps:in his will,william calls abraham and john "his sons"
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Sujet :       Re: adjustings
Date :       30/08/01
A :       verdego@hotmail.com

Dans un courrier daté du 28/07/01 08:24:19 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été), verdego@hotmail.com a écrit :

<< Sujet :        Re: Trans. : adjustings
Date :       28/07/01 08:24:19 Paris, Madrid (heure d'été)
From:       verdego@hotmail.com (Richard Ripley)
To:       Ripmel@aol.com

Hello Michael,

Since your first email I have been looking at registers and trying to
analyze where the errors come into the listings in the ancestral files at
the LDS site.

I have reposted the entire file. It is now entirely based upon church
registers. The William Ripley who married Sisley Revell is not important to
the story, except that they were the parents of the Frances Ripley who
married John Beal; John and Frances went to America. No doubt the
well-intentioned folks who then thought that this was therefore the William
who took his family on the Dilligent were the same person. But they weren't.

The William Ripley who took that journey, was born May 14, 1598 in Ripon
parish. With his first wife (married 1618) Katherine Banks (1596-1620), he
had at least two children, William bapt 1620 and John bapt 1621. William
married in Lincoln and stayed there. John travelled with his dad and a later
stepmother on the Dilligent.

William next married Amia Jackson in 1621. With her, he had at least two
more children. These were Abraham born 1624 and Janeta born 1626. Abraham
accompanied his dad and the third wife on the Dilligent. Janeta may have
died in childbirth or soon after, and probably her mother died under the
same traumatic birth complications.

William married third Elizabeth Sharpe, called Susannah on some records, on
September 14, 1630, in Yorkshire. Elizabeth was born in Yorkshire in 1607.
With Elizabeth, William had several more children. I found he had a first
daughter Ann in 1632 who must have died very young. Next, he had a son
Richard in 1635. Richard did not travel to America on the Dilligent with his
dad, but travelled on The Planter which sailed 1635, as a 16 year old
servant to a Mr. Saunders. He was the first of the family to reach America.
Mr. Saunders took several of the children of pioneer families with him as
servants.

It seems strange to us now that children could be parted from parents and
sail across the cruel Atlantic with friends or family, but it was very, very
common. They had a much stronger bond with family and frineds than we can
conceive of now. I won't trouble you with the dozens of other examples of
this I have found in other family lines.

Back to William. He next had a second daughter Ann in 1636 who accompanied
her dad on the Dilligent.

Next, William had twin daughters, Elizabeth and Mary. Elizabeth travelled
with her family, and married John Dwight in Massachusetts. I can find no
more records for Mary, and assume that she died young.

Well, it is very late, and I am going to draw this to a close, but please
take another look at my Roots web postings and tell me what you think.

While not many of the early settlers in Massachusetts came from Yorkshire,
many came from Lincoln. William had cousins and family in Lincoln, and also
in London. They may have boarded the Dilligent in either port. I don't think
Norfolk has any role in the Ripley story, except as posted by some
well-meaning people on the LDS sites.

You will see, as you move back in time in my tree, that the Ripleys expend
themselves in Ripon parish, with the name Rippon. The family tradition is
that the name Ripley was formed when the Anglo Saxon (or possibly Norman)
Rippon family moved from the north to Yorkshire, and lived by the Leah
River. Don't let this upset you. I am still working on it. I have found
individuals who were christened as Rippon but married as Ripley. Too bad
parish records are so scarce before 1540.

So we may also be Rippon cousins, not just Ripley cousins.

dormez bien
Richard Ripley
Sujet :       adjustings
Date :       27/07/01
A :       RicharRipley
dear richard i fear that LDS are a rich source of datas but sometimes confused!:let's check some points with you:
1)i 've searched in nflk archives and did not find that wm was bapt apr 1st 1557,which, if true,give us then his parents names and place of b(kingston?)can you confirm?
2)wm and sicely had:eliz(b 1580)rich(b1582)ffraunces(b1584)robt(b1586 & d 1644))wm(b 1588)abraham(b1591)john(b1592)anne(b&d1594)thus robt could not have been twin with wm!!!
3)why would amia jackson(from swanton abbot)and wm(from wramplingham)have married in whitby(yorkshire)..can you explain?
4)it seems they had:ab(b1624)sarah(b1631)...and eliz(b1639)when they left england in 1638!!??please check
5)they travelled with their probably 4 children(and not 2 +2 "cousins")
infact:one mary bapt 1617 was the daughter of richard(aforesaid)one john bapt 1626 was the son of robert(aforesaid,dead in 1644 and not in 1632 as is mentioned in your site)
it is unlikely that 2 nephews of wm,children of his 2 brothers ,would have let their parents (if not dead),brothers and sisters and 6 uncles and aunts to face bravely the new world!!!
i'd rather think that wm travelled with his own 4 children(please mind that wymondham parish registers burnt in the fire of 1615,and no entry can be found before that date!
6)wm did not marry beteress finch(but his homonymous maybe did?)as long as he was in 1615 the husband of eliz smyth,who was buried in 1623 as "eliz ripply,widow"
nevertheless:wm could have been called "wm robert",if LDS(?)entry n°I11528 is true and exact?
i would be pleased to have,dear probable cousin,more informaztion to share with you!
best regards
michael
ps:in his will,william calls abraham and john "his sons"
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dear richard ,
thank you for responding my previous mail of july 27th
i'm just back from holidays and shall try to answer
your explanations are interesting concerning another william ripley,but cannot convince me
no oneever thought it was this william on the diligent(impossible as he died in wymondham in 1620);in fact as i wrote you:
william ripley was not only ffraunces'father,but too william's father,born 1588(wramplingham),
this william,who probably married in wymondham before june 11th 1615(date of the great fire which destroyedhis house & the parish registers-it is why we don't find his marriage entry and ignore his wife's name-had exactly 4children:mary b sept 16 1616,john b jan1st 1621,abraham b may 9 1624 and sarah b oct 28th 1627(all born in wymondham)
according tocharles e. books in his:
"the planters of the commonwealth"1930,himself referring to cushing mss as to the list of passengers of the diligent:
"..she(thediligent)sailed from ipswich,suffolk, in june(1638)...with about 100 passengers, principally from hingham,norfolk"
in this list the geographical origin of every family is mentioned in front of the family name,
and except margaret and matthew hawke and john fearing,all 3 from cambridge,every one is from norfolk,and the ripleys(and the lincolns and the packers)are from wymondham,
norfolk,england.
i fearthat the homonymous in the lds registers put you into a sort of confusion
i hope i took some necessary precisions to your survey on the ripley family,based on archives often morereliable than lds
hoping to hear from you,especially for the roots before 1574,which could be out of norfolk,this time...
sincerely
(il est l'heure(11pm )d'aller se coucher!