Thanks for all the information.
I have been studying all the information we have discussed with respect to Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781 and who made his will in 1852 in Webster county, Ga.
It is perplexing to say the least, but bottom line for me is that I cannot confirm that the above Andrew Hipkin Tarver was a son of Andrew Tarver, a son of Andrew Hipkin I
I have tried to fit Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781 into Andrew Hipkin Tarver's son Andrew who was born 1765 and who had the sons Benjamin, Hartwell, R.R., Henry, Wm. M. and one other not known to me.
I cannot be convinced that Andrew Hipkin Tarver I actually had a son he named Andrew Hipkin II.The Andrew,I believe was his son may not have been named Andrew Hipkin.I am leaning toward Andrew Hipkin Tarver I naming his son Andrew, alright, but I am not absolutely certain it was Andrew Hipkin Tarver II.A few citations seem to reveal that Andrew Hipkin named his son Andrew ......Andrew W. and not Andrew Hipkin II.This Andrew W. is the same one as residing in Brunswick county, Va and found in records there from 1785 when he married Ann Young all the way to after 1810 as he is found on the 1810 Brunswick county, Va. census (Meherrin district).I believe that sometime about 1816 he relocated to Wilkes county, Ga. and is found on the 1820 Wilkes county, Ga census.This Andrew married for a third time to Nancy Singleton Holt in Hancock county, Ga. in 1823 and then died in Hancock county, Ga in 1827.
This Andrew I do not believe is a father to Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781.He was born 1765, married Ann Young in 1785 and then began to have his children with her shortly thereafter and then with Elizabeth Hartwell Tarver.
I had originally tried to reason that a Sr., Jr., III naming pattern existed with regard to these Andrew's, but I do not feel that is the case.
Allow me to put forward another more plausible family line here with respect to Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781.
I now am beginning to believe he is out of the Jacob Tarver line.I will set forth some of the reasoning here and we can elaborate the details in follow up discussion.
Jacob Tarver married a daughter of Andrew Hipkin Tarver I,
Mary Tarver.Therefore, his father in law was Andrew Hipkin Tarver I and this may be a basis for naming a son Andrew after his father in law.Thus, Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781.
Jacob Tarver, was the first pastor of Saddletree Baptist Church which was constituted in 1788.He can be found in the records for a few years in Robeson county, NC for a few years then disappears from the records.This was a primitive Baptist church. (Kehukee Association)
The 1790 Robeson county, NC census indicates the following family for Rev. Jacob Tarver:
1M over 16--Jacob, Sr.
1M over 16--Jacob Jr.
1M b. 1774 to 1790---Andrew H.
1M b. 1774 to 1790---Jonathan V. (still working on this)
1M b. 1774 to 1790---Benjamin H.
1M b. 1774 to 1790--- Rufus(still working on this)
1F over 16--Mary Tarver Tarver, daughter of Andrew Hipkin Tarver I who Jacob Tarver, Sr. married and both are mentioned in the will of Andrew Hipkin Tarver I 1780 NHT county, NC.)
1F --unknown at this point
1F--unknown at this point
From Robeson county, NC deed abstracts Vol. I and II, 1787 -1795, " The Reverend Jacob Tarver Sr. and son Jacob Tarver, Jr. 1788-1795--Land deed 3 Dec. 1788 to Jacob Tarver, Sr. sells this October 28, 1795 to John Willis, merchant.On this date, Jacob Tarver, Jr. sells land deeded to him December 27, 1792 by his father, Jacob Tarver, Sr.
From marriage and death notices from the Southwestern Baptist Newspaper..........B.H. Tarver died 7-28-1854 in his 64th year...was born in Robeson county, NC and removed with his father, Rev. Jacob Tarver to the state of Georgia
From land patents in Conecuh county, Al 1820--Andrew Tarver obtained land near the Butler county, Al line the patent number is 2797..
Eventually, in Butler county, Al land patent records Benjamin H. Tarver obtained land adjoining Andrew of Conecuh county, Al
From 1820 Conecuh county, Al census..........the family of Andrew Tarver which I feel is Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781
1M over 21---Andrew b. 1781
1M over 21---not known at this time
1M under 21---James D. Tarver b. in Ga. 1814
1M under 21--Rufus M. Tarver b. abt. 1818 to 1820
1F over 21--Nancy Hall Draper Tarver b. 1789
1F under 21--Eliza est. b. 1812
1F under 21--Katherine est. b. 1810
1F under 21--Mary est. b . 1813
1F under 21--Elanor b. est 1818
More children were born after this census and can be identified as Josephine, Elizabeth, Salina, and possibly, John.............All born from abt. 1828 to 1832 or so
An article entitled Ridgeville, Alabama by Mildred Stinson Brown, reveals the following:
"Andy Tarver bought land in the Ridge (initially what Ridgeville, Al was called).....Tarver killed a black man in 1822 and was run out of the state.He turned over his property to his brother (who has to be Benjamin H. Tarver who owned property adjoining Andrew Hipkin Tarver as per the Butler county, Al land patent records..His brother sold it to Jesse Womack who sold it to Thomas Hays about 1830.It was later sold to M.A. Thompson and in 1885 was still occupied my Mrs. Thompson.
Tracking Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781 seems to reveal the following:
born most likely in NHT county, NC 1781
may have obtained a land grant and resided in Wilkes
county, Ga. as early as 1805..(The 1805 Georgia land lottery shows Jacob Tarver, Sr. (# 40), Andrew Tarver (#41), and Benjamin (#44)..At this time Jacob, Sr. and sons were living in Burke county, Ga., but located in Wilkes county, Ga by 1805.
married in Columbia county, Ga. 1809
in Morgan County, Ga. 1810 as daughter was b. there
granted land in Warren county, Ga in 1812
obtained land in Warren county, Ga. in 1814-1815
to Conecuh county, Al about 1819--left state by 1822
back to Morgan county, Ga. about 1826 or so
to Newton county, Ga by 1830
to Stewart county, Ga. by 1850
passed away in Webster county, Ga
Jacob Tarver, Sr.was an Elder in the early primitive Baptist church as noted above.And in Wilkes county, Ga where he eventually relocated from Robeson county, NC he is found in the membership of Phillips Mill Baptist, another primitive Baptist church.
Benjamin H. Tarver was associated with Fellowship Baptist church in Wilcox county, Al in 1834 as a licensed preacher and as a delegate, apparently, in 1829 and 1831.
It should be noted among the churches under the Bethlehem Baptist Association (Beckbe Association until 1827) there is a a Bethsaida church shown in this time period 1831 to 1836.
It was noted by you previously that A. H. Tarver and T. Shepherd represented a church called Bethseda of Newton county, Ga.I am not sure if Bethsaida above and Bethseda mentioned herein or the same or not, but they are both primitive Baptist churches.
It has been mentioned that Rufus M. Tarver was b. in Ala and in some Clarke county, GA. records a Rufus Tarver was to obtain some sort of land credit which may have involved a power of attorney from Jonathan V. Tarver to a Rufus Tarver which may have also involved a R. Hamrick.I am not certain of the proceedings in that matter, but it may shed some light on the possible connection of Jonathan V. Rufus and Andrew Hipkin Tarver.
Further, if Rufus M. Tarver was born in Alabama as perceived in 1818 to 1820, it would seem to line up with Andrew Tarver of Conecuh county, Al.There were a few other Tarvers in Alabama by 1820, but not many.
I can provide more details of my thoughts reflected here and would be glad to discuss them fully with all those interested in this family.I need to fine tune this theory of course, but I feel it is more reflective than the Andrew Hipkin I, II and III put forth previously.
Janice, I appreciate all your help in this matter and if you would like to follow up with continuing discussion I welcome that.However, if not, I understand that position as well.
David A. Tarver