Re: another piece of the early Tarver puzzle
Thanks for the follow up.
Let me straighten my mistake out by setting forth the rationale I previously used.
On the actual copy of the marriages from Andrew Hipkin Bible which has a date of February 8th, 1856 at the top of the page.............The children of Andrew Hipkin Tarver and Nancy Hall Draper Tarver appear to be listed on the page in the order of their marriage except for James D. Tarver who was married in 1836.Directly under his marriage information are found Josephine Tarver marriage to Hardy S. Vickers, then Elizabeth F. Tarver marriage to Benjamin S. Allums.Then Josephine Tarver second marriage to O.S. Lane.
There are no children listed for Rufus M. Tarver as his name appears on bottom of the page on the left 1/2 of the page.
After reading your inquiry about the children, I have gone back and analyzed this again and associated it with the 1840 Newton County, Ga, census of which I had only Andrew Hipkin Tarver and James D. Tarver listings.That association reveals the following.
1840 Newton County, Ga census, pg. 6--Andrew H. Tarver
M00001001 F00100001 23 slaves or :
1M b. 1810 to 1820---Rufus M. Tarver b. 1820
1M b. 1780 to 1790--Andrew Hipkin Tarver b. 1781
1F b. 1780 to 1790--Nancy Hall Draper Tarver b. 1789
1F b. 1825 to 1830--Salina O. Tarver b. 1828
[please note that comparing this census to the
the 1820 Conecuh county, Al. census the h/h's appear to
match....James D. is out on his own and so are the 4 daughters shown in 1820.Salina b. 1828 is the only daughter in the 1840 h/h along with Rufus who was b. 1820]
1840 Newton County, Ga. census, pg. 2, James D. Tarver
M00011 F20010 1 slave or:
1M b. 1820 to 1825---unknown
1M b. 1810 to 1820---James D. Tarver b. 1814
1F b. 1835 to 1840---Elizabeth F. Tarver b. 1839
1F b. 1835 to 1840--Josephine B. Tarver b. 1840
1F b. 1820 to 1825--Elizabeth Brooks Tarver
This should clear up themisstatement I made with respect to Elizabeth F. Tarver and Josephine B. Tarver--they were actually daughters of James D. Tarver and not Andrew Hipkin Tarver.
I do not have the 1830 Newton county, Ga census, although, the index shows Andrew Tarver on pg. 40.
Now, on to John Tarver--the only source I had for including him as a possibility is that on an old census I had located him as the only Tarver in Newton county, Ga.in 1850 pg. 362 age 19 living in household of John Harper.I had obtained that census from a book in the Tulsa library many years ago.John Harper b. 1811 was b. in SC and was a hotel keeper.Looking back thru the 1850 census index which is on the internet I cannot now locate this John Tarver, so I am not sure if I wrote it down wrong years ago when I copied it out of the census book at the library or maybe it was a Turner and not a Tarver.At any rate, unless other information emerges, I need to drop this John as a child of Andrew Hipkin Tarver.
The children that you mention for Andrew Hipkin Tarver and Nancy Hall Draper Tarver would be correct.
These all align with the 1820 Conecuh county, Al census for the household of Andrew Tarver.The only one individual shown in that census for Andrew Tarver which is not identified is the male shown there as 21 or over in 1820,which would mean he was born 1799 or before.Not sure if he was Tarver, Draper, Shepherd, or other at this time.
I agree with you with regard to the Tarver puzzle.I have been working at it for many years and have offered up various theories which I later had to retreat from and continue on with a desire to obtain an end result, though.I began the process and exchanged and obtained various information before the internet was so popular.
As you know, records are scant and non-existent in many situations.A circumstantial case has to be substituted for primary, supporting documentation in many instances.Of course, we all prefer absolute support, but with the early Tarver family lines as with many family lines, supporting documentation has evolved from traditional sources which may or not always be factual.
I have worked with various individuals on this Tarver puzzle which has been very difficult for various reasons, but continue on and hope one day to bring it to an acceptable conclusion.
Thanks for the reply and hopefully we can continue on and can confirm the early members of the OLD Andrew Hipkin Tarver family of Northampton county, NC.
David A. Tarver