Betty" Do you have any refrence to family before Rudolf? I have a GGG grandfather named Frederick Urech born in 1817 in Switz. And a GG grandfather named Frederick Jacob Urech born in 1840 in Switz. Then between 1840 and 1868 they came to Quincy Ill. In 1868 Frederick Jacob Urech (JR) was born in Quincy. I have no refrence to any siblings for these men.