Re: Albert Edward George Vanner 1901 Hackney
Thanks for your appreciative note- we does our best.The Southgate area of London you mention, is, I believe, near Enfield, Essex.You ask whether it would be difficult to find out about children from your father's first marriage; I think that you are going to have to do a bit of digging.But there are plenty of people around that can help you.One of these is the East of London Family History Society - well worth the tenner in becoming a member.Spare an hour or so and check out their web site at http:\eolfhs.rootsweb.com.This will give you a taste for what information is available.
I think that the first port of call for you (because you have little information at present to go on), is the General Register Office to obtain copies of Birth and Marriage Certificates.These in turn will give further information, such as father's name and address in the case of a Birth, or a mother's maiden name in the case of a Marriage.As a member of the EoLFHS, you will be able to use, if required, their excellent Courier Service which will obtain Certificates on your behalf for a small fee (typically £2) in addition to that made by the GRO.
You surprise me - I was not aware that any Vanner members had any claim to a Jewish background at all: this is all most interesting.So with regard to the root you mention, I think that is very difficult, though not impossible, to establish.(See below).I suspect that the name of Vanner was around in London since shortly after the Norman Conquest, though seems to have been spelt Vannere.A further influx of French immigrants (probably bearing the surname Vanier or Vannier(e)) came in from France after 1572 - and many more immigrants poured into London in Victorian times.Many of these latter were Jews endeavouring to escape the current European pogroms.It is possible that in all cases, the immigrant endeavoured to blend into the 'natural' community as quickly as possible.One of the ways of quickly doing this would be to change your name to a similar one that is already established in the district.Speedy assimilation might have been considered very important for a sense of security in a new homeland.'Researching Jewish ancestry can be difficult since many records are in Hebrew'. (Herber,1997) .A good starting point would be to look at pp.216-218 in Ancestral Trails by Mark Herber.I would recommend obtaining it from your local library - it is an excellent book, but at £30., well it pays for quite a few Certificates.
Census material can also be very illuminating, though equally v. difficult to read.I did mention that I would try to look up Henry John on the 1881 Census.The only one that appears to fit the bill is a 4-year old Henry (not though Henry John) as follows:
17 Bath Grove, Bethnal Green, London
Henry Vanner Head of Household - Wood sawyer - M. Age 25Place of Birth Mile End
Emma VannerWife-M.24 Shoreditch
Henry VannerSon-4 Bethnal Green
Emma VannerDaughter- 2 Bethnal Green
Elizabeth VannerDaughter 4 months Bethnal Green
Henry Vanner Father W. 57 Mile End
Elizabeth VannerSister Boot MachinistU.19 Bethnal Green
I have a suspicion that these are not your relations, but you will need, in the first instance, to make reference to available Certificates.Coming back to what I have mentioned above, it may be possible that in 1881, the family may have been using a slightly different surname and therefore not listed at that time under Vanner.Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
PS. This board has mucked up my tabulation and formatting for the Census material, I hope that you can follow it OK.