Re: Van Siclen/Van Sicklen Controversy revisited”
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Re: Van Siclen/Van Sicklen Controversy revisitedu201d
Douglas Van Curen 10/23/02
Just a couple of things
Certainly Violetta truly believed she had found the correct name on the marriage records - she thought the name of Cornelius Van Sickle was the correct name which is why she used it. The name of Catherine Johnson she already knew but didn't even require a spouses name or marriage date. She inserted it because the boxes were there.
You have no comments on the deponents integrity? And why they wrote Cornelius Van Siclen in their affidavits when Violetta had written Cornelius Van Sickle in her application?
Van Curen believes Maria's children knew Catherine Johnson as Grandma and not her name? Try getting a little serious Van Siclen. I have never known a child who bythe age of 11 didn't know their grandmother's name, although I am certain there are more than a few. What happens when that child reaches maturity?
And what about the years of their maturity before and after they married. Are you so nieve as to believe they would not have discussed their Revolutionary grandparents with their mother and father, Maria and Luther?
Here are the ages of each of seven children in 1868, the year Maria Van Siclen Eastling died.
I am only listing the ages of 7 of them which lived in Indiana and Wisconsin near and or with Maria prior to her death in 1868.
Children's ages in 1868
Hiram 43 - Harford 43 - Ferdinand 40 - Cornelia 37 - Cornelius 37 - Cynthia 34 - Fanny 31.
Would you suspect that perhaps - just perhaps those 7 children would have at various times discussed with their parents, Maria and Luther, their Grandmother Catherine Johnson and referred to their grandmother on many occassions as Catherine or Catherine Johsnon?
The age of Maria's children between 1848 when they arrived in Indiana and 1868 when Maria their mother died.
Hiram from 23-43; Harford 23-43; Ferdinand 20 -40; Cornelia 17 -37; Cornelius 17-37; Cynthia 14 - 24 and Fanny 11 - 31.
A reasonble person could safely conclude that people in the age range of Maria's children would have asked or been told by their mother the name of Maria's grandmother,and their grandmother which was Catherine Johnson.Those same people as parents would also passed to their children the names of their grandparents and because they lived during the times of the Revolution, have passed such information to their children without being asked.
Surely Van Curen you could not possible believe that the adult grandchilren of Maria would go for 20 years without learning about their grandmothers name, knowing her during those 20 years only as "grandma".
Van Curen "He (Eddy) claims Cornelius served in the Revolution, but Revolutionary war records...including muster rolls and pay records...say he didn't."
Van Curen as a researcher you seem to be lacking in vital knowledge. There were two major fires in the 1800's. The fires destroyed most of the Revolutionary Veterans War records. Bits and pieces have been recovered from various sources but the majority of records were destroyed.
I had known before I even got involved with you about the Van Siclen couple in Dutchess County. I also know about another Van Siclen couple, identical first and last namesbut that is of no consequence.
I have provided all the proof necessary for the existance of Catherine Johnson and her husbands Revolutionary War service.
We may as well close down this dialog.
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