Irene, well I just hit another snag. Talked to my husband's uncle and it seems my Frank VanWicklers father may have been John AND he deserted the family circa 1908. We think Frank's mothers name was Katherine. In looking over some other info I have a Jack (John) Van Wickler from the Inwood/Woodmere Area and he had sons John and Freeman. I "think" Freeman is one of mine, have you ever heard of Jack VanWickler or Freeman? Finding Frank VanWicklers is beginning to be like looking for John Smiths!