Thank you Virginia:
Yes I would love her lineage I have not seen any Warrens coming from Maryland to Ohio most of Ohio was coming out of Pennsylvania.
Have her email me at norma_Kirchhofer@hotmail.com maybe she could send a ged file I could open, very interesting.
Norma Kirchhofer - Warren Historian
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Mt. Washington, Ky 40047
National Biographical Dictionary of Oxford in England this is how they see the lineage, notice Sir Edward Warenne who married Cicely de Eton is considered a Illegitimate child of John de Warenne, 8th Earland his Mistress Maud de Nerford.Records of the NBD also show Joan de Bar never got a divorce from the 8th Earl. They will be reviewing all of this next year.Norma
20 generations"Warren lineage"
Sir Edward Warren, Kt. was bp 4-9-1563 Prestbury died 11-13-1609 buried 11-14-1609 St. Marys Parish, Poynton, Cheshire, England as was his 2nd wife Anne Davenport per the National Burial Index I have for St. Marys Parish.
He is 20th in lineal descent from the first Earl, William de Warenne b 1027-1028 , who married Gundred, the daughter of William the Conqueror & Queen Matilda of Flanders
Sir Edward married three times.He had no issue by his first wife, Joan Fitton whom he married 7-22-1574 Prestbury, England, she was the daughter of Sir Edward Fitton.He married secondly Anne, 10-16-1581 Poynton, Cheshire, England she was the daughter of Sir William Davenport of Bramall.William Warren their 5th child was in Virginia between 1633 and 1640.
John Warren the 2nd son of this marriage died 6-20-1621 Charles Co., Md. hemarried Ann daughter of George Ognal.She died at Stockport May 24, 1652 "per Pedigree Chart" .They had a son, Edward born May 10, 1605 and buried at Stockport September 10, 1687 who married Margaret Arderne, daughter of Henry Arderne.They also had a son John baptized 8-9- 1606, who died unmarried.He was living in St. Mary's Co., Maryland in 1642.He was killed by Captain Thomas Corwallis and party in 1644.
He married Ann Davenport as his second wife there was 13 children by this marriage.Their first born son, John died young.His second son John who is the descendents of the Warren line in Charles Co., Maryland
He married Susan Boothe as his third wife there was 11 children by this marriage there last child Posthumous Warren was born 2 Months after Sir Edward Warren died 1609, after Sir Edward Warren death she married John Fitton "Per Pedigree chart"
a total of 24 children by 2 wives.
He was M. P. for Liverpool, 1589 and was admitted to Gray's Inn, February 26, 1588-9.He was High Sheriff of Cheshire in 1597 and towards the end of Queen Elizabeth's reign, was in the Irish Wars, where he was Knighted, 22nd July 1599 by Robert, Earl of Essex, lord lieutenant, Sir Edwardwas secretary and deputy to the Earl of Derby, who was the seneschal of King James in 1603,He married first Jane dau of Sir Edward Fitton of Gawsworth, Knight on 7-22-1574
The History of Cheshire, England"p683 Macclesfield Hundred"
I have this "Macclesfield Hundred" Pedigree Chart, they used theOld Dating System "The Monarch's reign such as 44Edw3=1371 plus the Large Pedigree Chart going back to the gggrandfather of William the Conqueror that was republished in 1783
There seems to be errors in Rev. John Watson "Memoirs of the Ancient Earls of Warren & Surrey I have also found some of the same errors in the Visitation of Cheshire
The Visitation of Cheshire in 1580 1566 1533
Whole bunch of Warrens on page 25
Book has an interesting preface:
Johannes Warren b 1540 Poynton, Cheshire, England died 12-7-1587 Buried 12-14-1587
Baron of Stockport
Buried 12/14/1587 Poynton, Cheshire, England
1576 was High Sheriff
He married Margaret Molyneux abt 1560daughter of Sir Richard Molyneux of Sefton, Kent.John Warren Baron of Stockport was High Sheriff of Cheshire in 1576.He and Margaret had 6 daughters and seven sons.Margaret died 6-21-1617 and was buried in Lostock near Poynton had 13 children
Sir Edwarde Warren of Poynton born 1498 Chapel of the Church Prestbury, died 10-12-1558 both are buried in Chancel belong to the Prestbury Church
He was buried 10-12-1558
He was Knighted at Leith 5-11-1554
married Dorothy Booth/Bothe 8-14-1516 at Leigh, Scotland by the Earl of Hereford while fighting the Scots under the Cardinal of St. Andrews.
Dorothy Booth/Bothe, daughter of Sir William Booth of Dunham, Massey born 1500 died 3-19-1583/84 had 11 children
Laurence de Warren born 1481 Poynton died 9-18-1530 Buried in Prestbury, England
InYear 1523 the lordship of Boton and Skegeton, also the lordship of Rotley in Warwickshire
Married Margaret Leigh July 5 1494, Laurence being then 18 yrs of age, provides, that if he diedbefore comsumation, another son was to marry her.by her he had 13 children
His WILL was written 11-18-1529
Margaret Leigh born 1483 in Lyme, England died 1532
Sir John Warryne, knight Lord of Poynton born 1461 = Baron of Stockport of Stropforde 1489,
Master of Lichfield Guild 1489 died January 11, 1517/189Hen8
He married Eleanor Gerrard 1480, daughter of Sir Thomas Gerrard of Bryn Com, Lancashire.He captured Bodiam Castle for King Richard 111.He was knighted by Henry V11 on St. Bartholomews Day in Rippon, Yorkshire
He was Knighted at Ripon in Yorks by King Henry V11, 1487
Sir John Warryne, Kt. also was married to Joan or Jane Arderne and had 1 Child George Warren b 1516
Eleanor Gerrard born 1462 of Bryn, Com, Salop, England5 children
Lawrence De Warreyn b 1423 died before 1474
Lord of the Manors of Stockport, Poynton, Wode Plumpton formely Rotteley, Boton and Skegeton.He was married to Isabel Legh daughter of Robert Legh of Adington in Cheshire in 1458.Laurence was knighted by King Edward 1V before 1458 they had 2 children John & William, marriage contract shows 36Hen6=1458
In 15Edw4=1476 Isabel married Sir. George Holford
John de Warren, Esquire, b 1414 marriedIsabel Stanley, dau of Sir John Stanley, knight of the Garter and Steward of the household of King Henry 1V, marriage Contract dated March 1422/23 10Hen5=1422 Stockport their son, who subsequently succeeded to the title Lord of the Manors Stockport, Cheshire, England
In 10Hen5=1422John de Warren was 8 years oldthey had 9 children per Deed Book
He was married to Isabel, daughter of Sir John Stanley at the age of 8,Sir John of Latham received a dispensationfrom Pope Martin V for the marriage to take place.Sir John was a knight of the Garter and a steward to the household of King Henry V
He was 30 years old when his father died 3-14-1443/44
He died 14 Edw4=1475
Sir Lawrence de Warren, Knight, b 1394 married Margery Bulkeley 1412, dau. of Hugh Bulkeley see Governor Morgan G. Bulkeley of Connecticut
Served in France 1413 died 3-14-1443/44 they had 8 children per Pedigree Chart
He is said to have been in France with King Henry V., when he died there.
Nicholas de Wareyn (Lord of Poynton)
Born 1379 died 1413 married Agnes abt 1393 daughter of Sir Richard de Wynynton, Kt.she was living in 1417
He was 14 years old in 16Ric2=1393 & was the only son of Sir John de Wareyn + Margaret de Stafford
Sir John de Wareyn born 1345 died 1387 married Margaret de Stafford daughter of Sir John de Stafford of Wickham, married ca 1371 Norfolk had 2 children in 13Ric2=1390 she remarried John Maynwaring
Inquest 16Ric2=1393 in Boton, Norfolk, England
Exedition to Francedied 10Ric2= 1387
Buried at Boton, co, Norfolk Inq p.m. 16Ric2=1393
Lord of Poynton & Stokeport
Knighted in 1372
Margaret de Stafford died 4-6-1418 Monument over Peover 6Hen5=1419
Sir Edward de Warrenn born 1321 Poynton died 1368 married Cicely de Eton 1342 daughter of Sir Nicholas de Eton + Joan de Stockport.In 1332 she divorced her first husband Sir John Arderne
Sir Edward de Warenne was the Last Earl of Warrene & Surrey & the illegitimate son of John de Warenne, 8th Earl and his Mistress Maud de Nerford
Knighted by Joan de stockport At the siege of Calais 1347
John de Warenne, 8th Earlaccording to the National Biographical Dictionary of Oxford was born June 24, 1286
bp 11-7-1286Sussex, EnglandAll of his children were illegitimate issue He died June 30, 1347
Conisborough, Englandinc 1316living in adultery with Maud married to 2 wives & had 3 mistress's
he is Buried in the church of St. Pancras. At LewesAlso according to the National Bio Dictionary he did not divorce Joan de Barr
The next step the Earl took was to make a settlement for Maud de Nerford & the children which he had by her which was done by the following instrument taken from the patent roll 10Edw2 1317
8th Earl of Surrey, Earl of Sussex and Strathern, Scotland he inherited Surrey and Sussex from his grandfather John was knighted with the Prince of Wales.He married Joan de Bar dau of Henry, Count de Bar and Eleanor, eldest daughter of Edward 1 John de Warenne and Joan de Bar had no legal issue
p1 Vol 2
Son of William, and heir to his grandfather, was born June 30, 1286, 14 Edw. I.* and was not quite eighteen years of age when his grandfather died. 33 Edw. I. he had an offer made him by the king, in his chamber at West-
*So sais Dugdale in his Bar. vol. 1. p. 80, but Peck, lib. IX. p. 16, 1287, 15 Edw. I.
Earl Warren died, according to the register at Lewes, June 30, 1347, 21 Edw. III. aged exactly sixty-one years, the day of his death happening on the same day of the year with his birth. He was buried alone, under a raised tomb, near the high altar in the abbey church of Lewes, leaving no lawful issue behind him, nor any brother of sister but Alice, who married Edmund earl of Arundel. Flower and Glover's pedigree records his death, &c. in the following words. [Latin passage of 9 lines]
Clarification of the titles used by the 8 earls which was " earl of Warren and Surrey".The second or English title there was no problem with except that Gundrada was never countess in respect of this title as she had died before it was given to William Warren by William Rufus.The answer is quite simple;William Warren was a count in Normandy ( earl was not a title used there) but if you look in Harraps which is a well respected French/English dictionary, count translates as earl with the added proviso that the ranks were "similar".
William Plantagenet Warenne, 7th Earl was born January 15, 1249/50 and Killed at a Tournement at CroydenDecember 15, 1286Killed at Guilford
William was knighted in 1285, the year before he was accidentally killed at a Tornament at Croyden.He was married to Joanna, daughter of Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford.The children of Joanna and William were Alice, married to Edmond Fitz Alan, Earl of ArundelPage 302
[Latin passage of 3 lines] The said William had also a son John, born after his father's death, who succeeded to his grandfather's titles and estate. William himself died in his father's life time, for being at a tournament at Croydon in Surrey, he unfortunately lost his life there. Stowe,* sais he was by the challenger intercepted, and cruelly slain. His death happened Dec. 15th, 1286, and he was buried before the high altar at Lewes. Joan his widow died Nov. 21, 1293, and was buried with her husband under a high tomb.
This earl, by his countess Alice, daughter of Hugh le Brun, had William, Eleanor, and Isabel. William married Joan* daughter of Robert de Vere earl of Oxford,+ who bore quarterly gules and or, in the first quarter a mullet argent. With her he had the manors of Midingham in Bucks, Crawmersh in Oxfordshire, and Beston in Norfolk, in frank marriage; as also the manors of Prittlewell, Tiburne, Wulfhamstone, Nechamsted, and Ginges, and lands of ten pounds per annum in Cestreham. By her he had Alice, married in 1305 to Edmund Fitz Alan earl of Arundel, who bore gules a lion rampart or.
Sir John Warenne, born July 1231 7th Earl of Surrey and of Sussex, John was knighted with Prince Edward by King Alphonso X of Castile.He fought in the battle of Lewes.He was a Welch Marcher, lord, Warden of the Kingdom of Scotland, Mise of Amiens.He took the cross with Edward on June 24, 1268.He married Alice Lisicnan on April 16, 1246.Alice was the daughter of Queen Isabella "widow of James and Hugh of Lisigna" She was also the half sister of Henry 111,Alice died on February 9, 1256, three weeks aafter the birth of her last child.The children of Alice and John de Warenne were Alice b 1251 married to Henry Percy, 1st Baron of Ainwick., Sir John Warenne died 9-27-1304
Earl of Warenne and 6th Earl of Surrey. b1166 died May 27, 1240 Buried in the Abbey of Lewes
This William was one of the Kings Fidele, by whose counsel the Magna Carta was issued.William first married Matlda daughter of William of Abiline.His second wife also married Matilda, was the daughter of William Marshall.She was the co heiness of Pembroke, and the widow of Hugh Rigod the 3res Earl of Norfolk. The children of William and Matilda were Isabel who married Hugh de Albini, Earl of Norfolk, William de Warenne died 5-27-1240
Natural son of Geoffry Plantagenet earl of Anjou, married the above Isabel, with the consent of king Henry II. who is generally called the said Hameline's brother, having had the same father, for it was not then thought dishonorable to be a bastard. In the Chronicle of Normandy, it is said Anno 1163, Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici duxit comitissam de Warenna, relictam Willielmi comitis Moritonii. Lord Lyttelton* sais, In conse-
Looking at the eight earls of Surrey, the childless widow of the 3rd.earl subsequently married Hameline Plantagenet, illegitimate son of Geoffrey Plantagenet, father of Henry 2nd.and by her right and not by direct line was created the 5th. earl. Hameline in due course assumed the name of Warren and effectively his successors became the Plantagenet Warrens.
It was from the eighth earl that the famous "Poynton line" was sprung.
William de Warrene, 3rd Earlb 1119 died 1-13-1147/48married Adela Talvace
Third Earl of Surrey, he fought at the Battle of Lisieux and Lincoln and took the Cross with his cousin, Louis V11 of France, William was killed by the Turke while on Crusade.He was married to Adela (Ela) daughter of William Talvas, Count of Ponthie.Ela and William had one child Isabella, Isabella Heiress of Surrey
p 116 isabout King Stephen court. Wm., 3rd earl m Adela d/o Count of Ponthieu They had Isabella de Warenne.This Wm. went on Crusade with King of France (his cousin) & was killed outside of Laodicea.(They brought his heart back to Lewes) His wife remarried and daughter Isabella became the de Contessa of Surrey.She married King Stephens son William who sometimewas refered to as Earl of Warrene.When Henry II
Came to the throne he sent this William to the front in Normandy (to get him killed) and then married his bastard half brother Hamelin to the wealthy & powerful Isabella.He took the name of Warrento preserve the House of Warren. This was seldom allowed-Warrens too powerful. Henry II& Hamelin were children of the count of Anjou. Normans ?off the throne-Plantagenetd on the throne of England . “Wm de Warren m Isabel with consent of King his father.(Stephen) He should not be called Warren in this context. He was Stephen of Blois grandson of the Coinqueror. William of Blois.
Year 1138 William de Warenne, 3rd Earl, son of the 2nd Earl, confirmed the acts of benevolence of his father and grandfather. He died on Crusade in 1147 leaving a daughter, Isabel.
1147 Isabel, daughter of the 3rd Earl married William de Blois, son of King Stephen who thus became the 4th Earl of Warenne (and Surrey). This Earl was granted other titles. To those of Warenne and Surrey were added Moreton, Boulogne and Lancaster. He was further granted the Honours of Eagle and Pevensey. He died without issue in 1159
1163 Hamelin Plantagenet, son of Geoffrey, Earl of Anjou, and half brother of King Henry 2nd became the 5th Earl on his marriage to the widowed Isabel. It is accepted that he built the Castle Keep on the site of an earlier wooden stronghold c.1180-90, and probably the curtain wall soon afterwards. Isabel and Hamelin made an endowment of 50/- a year for a priest and a chapel within the castle 1189. Hamelin's nephew, King John, issued a charter at Conisbrough in 1201 and may have lodged in the Keep. Hamelin was one of a number of treasurers responsible for raising 70,000 marks of silver to affect the release of King Richard who had been imprisoned in Austria on his return from the Holy Land. Hamelin himself contributed £40.8.7d. He died in 1201 and was buried at Lewes.
1202 William, son of Hamelin assumed the name de Warenne and became the 6th Earl, William married Maud, daughter of the Earl of Arundel and on her death in 1215, married Maud, daughter of the Earl of Pembroke and widow of Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. This William is thought to have been responsible for the buildings within the castle bailey. He died in 1239.
1239 John the 7th Earl, son of William by his second wife was only 5 on his father's death and was made a ward of the King. He married in 1247, aged 12, Alice, the sister of Henry III, cohabiting with her when he was 17. The 7th Earl held the castle and manor until 1304.During this time the Hundred Rolls (records of court assizes) listed wrongful imprisonments in the castle and unlawful dealings of the seneschal~ and constables, one of whom, Richard de Heydon, being charged with: "devilish and innumerable oppressions". John was also involved in several disagreements between the King and Barons and for a time, lost most of his possessions. However, he was on the winning side at the Battle of Evesham (1265) after which the King restored his estates. In 1270 he was in deep disgrace after he attacked Allan, Lord Zouche of Ash by, during an enquiry held in Westminster Hall and in 1281 Edward I called on John to show by what warrant he, " . . . claimed gallows, assize of bread and bee, measures and rights of shedding blood, free warren on his estates and refusing to permit the Kings Bailiff to enter his lands to perform their offices, except his own bailiffs were present."At the trial John defended his rights very strenuously and apparently won his case since, by the King's Mandate, " . . . the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishops of Chichester, Durham, Carlisle, Lincoln, Coventry and Lichfield were directed to offer prayers to the Throne of Grace for the health of the soul of John de Warenne and granted that all that shall perform this acceptable service, forty days of indulgence." After an eventful life the 7th Earl died in 1304.
1304 John the 8th and last Earl de Warenne was the previous Earl's grandson and succeeded because his father had been killed in a tournament at Guildford in 1286. John, aged 18 when he succeeded to the Earldom, made an unhappy marriage to Joan de Barr, granddaughter of Edward I. There were no children to this marriage and in c.1316 John had an affair with Maud de Nerford, which incurred the displeasure of the Bishop of Chichester who excommunicated him. Stow reported that, "the sayd Earl came to the Byshoppe with armed men, and foure more hasty than the reste, threatened the Byshoppe, whereupon the Byshoppes men fell on them and tooke the Earl and the reste and imprisoned them".Soon after this occurrence, John abducted the wife of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, as a result of which, he lost his castles of Conisbrough and Pontefract to Thomas. During the time that the Earl of Lancaster held Conisbrough he ordered that timber from the wood there be felled to repair the chapel roof. This must have referred to a chapel within the inner ward in addition to that in the keep. On the death of the Earl of Lancaster, Conisbrough was held by the King.
1322 King Edward II held Conisbrough and stayed here for a short time. In 1324, the constable was ordered to spend up to 20 marks to make repairs to the walls and towers of the castles at Conisbrough and Pontefract.
1326 Conisbrough Castle was returned to John the 8th Earl. Although John had been unable to divorce his wife he had had two sons by Maud de Nerford who was by law the wife of Simon de Derby. By a conveyance ratified by the King, John attempted to leave the manor to Maud and his sons but he outlived them all and died without an heir in 1347.
1347 Edmund Langley, Edward Ill's 5th and youngest son succeeded to the castle and estate of Conisbrough. He was 6 years old and during his minority the estate was administered by his mother, Queen Philippa. During the 36th year of the reign of Edward III (1363) he was created Earl of Cambridge and in the 9th year of the reign of Richard II (1386) Duke of York. Edmund's first wife was Isabel, daughter of Pedro, King of Castille by whom he had two sons, Edward later to become 2nd Duke of York and in 1399, Duke of Albemarle, and Richard, Earl of Cambridge. Richard was born at Conisbrough and was usually referred to as Richard of Conisbrough. Edmund died in 1402.
1402 Edward Duke of Albemarle and 2nd Duke of York succeeded his father. He married Philippa, daughter of Lord Mohun but died without issue at Agincourt in 1415. His brother, Richard of Conisbrough, had married Ann Mortimer by whom he had a son, also called Richard. Richard of Conisbrough was beheaded for treason against Henry V earlier in the same year that his brother fell at Agincourt.
1415 The castle and honour were held in dower by Richard of Conisbrough's widow, who lived at the castle until her death in 1446.
1446 Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, son of Richard of Conisbrough now inherited the honour. Richard married Cicely, sister of the Earl of Salisbury by whom he had a son, Edward, Earl of March. Richard was one of the most ambitious men in the kingdom and a fine soldier. He contended for the crown but was killed at the Battle of Wakefield in 1460.
1460 Edward Earl of March, grandson of Richard of Conisbrough, inherited the manor. He was acclaimed Edward IV at St. Albans in 1461 when Conisbrough Castle and Estates once again passed to the crown. This was confirmed in perpetuity by a settlement dated 1495. A survey conducted in 1538 for Henry VIII, recorded that, ". . . the gates of the castle, timber and stonework, the bridge and some of the curtain wall have fallen and one floor of the keep has collapsed". It seemed that by this time the castle had fallen into the state of ruin that was to save it from further destruction during the Civil War.
1558 Sir Henry Carey, 1st Lord Hunsdon was granted, among other honours and lands, the castle and manor of Conisbrough, to be held in capite (held as tenant-in-chief) of the Queen (Elizabeth) and her successors, by the 40th part of a Knight's Fee. Sir Henry accompanied Elizabeth to Tilbury at the time of the Armada. He was created a baron but his ambition to become Earl of Wiltshire was never realised.The Queen visited him on his deathbed to grant him this earldom when Henry was reported as saying, "Madam, seeing you counted me not worthy of this honour whilst I was living, I count myself unworthy of it now I am dying". Henry died in 1596.
1596 George Carey, 2nd Lord Hunsdon succeeded his father. His marriage produced a daughter but as the castle and manor were confined to male heirs, on his death, he was succeeded by his brother.
1603 John Carey, 3rd Lord Hunsdon inherited his brother's estates and was, in turn, succeeded by his son.
1617 Henry Carey, 4th Lord Hunsdon. Henry was created Earl of Dover in May 1627. On the occasion of the marriage of his son, John, in 1638, a fine was levied on Henry's manor at Conisbrough and all other of his lands in Yorkshire for the use of the married couple. (The amount raised is not known). On Henry's death he was succeeded by his son.
1668 John Carey, Viscount and 5th Lord Hunsdon, 2nd Earl of Dover. John and his second wife, Abigail, had a daughter, Dame Mary. Dame Mary married William Heveningham and by a will dated October 1685, Dame Mary Heveningham and her heirs were to succeed to the Conisbrough and other estates.
1668 Dame Mary Heveningham, by her will dated July 1691, left her Conisbrough estates to her granddaughter, Carey Newton. Dame Mary died in 1696.
1696 Carey Newton, directly descended from Sir Henry Carey, Commander of Elizabeth's army at the time of the threat of a Spanish invasion, inherited the castle and manor from her grandmother, Dame Mary. Carey Newton married Edward Coke and made over the manor to him. On the death of her husband in 1707, she left it to her second son, another Edward, with provisions to raise cash to pay off her debts and provide allowances for her other children.
1707 Edward Coke Esq. of Longford. During the ownership of this Edward it seemed that part of the estate was mortgaged in order to provide for other bequests in his mother's will. In July 1728, Edward Coke, in consideration of £3,000 did demise to Matthew Lamb, the castle and manor for 2,800 years, subject to redemption on payment of £3,000, with interest by Edward or his heirs. During the next few years the estate was further mortgaged for relatively large sums of money and was much encumbered at the time of Edward's death in 1733.
1737 In accordance with directions contained in the will of Edward Coke, the castle and manor were sold for £2,500 to Thomas Osborne, 4th Duke of Leeds from whom it descended to his grandson, George William Frederick, 6th Duke of Leeds.
???? Sackville Lane Fox, 12th Baron Conyers, son-in-law of the 6th Duke of Leeds became the next owner until his death in 1888 when the castle and manor were carried by Marcia, his eldest daughter, to the Pelham family.
1888 Charles Alfred Worsley Anderson Pelharn 4th Earl of Yarborough of Brocklesby Park, Lincolnshire, became the last private owner of Conisbrough's ruined castle through his marriage in 1886 to Marcia, eldest daughter of Lord Conyers.
c.1946 Conisbrough Urban District Council acquired the castle for a nominal sum from Lady Yarborough.Since this time much effort and money has gone into the preservation of the keep and curtain walls and the layout of the inner bailey made more obvious by careful landscaping.The castle is now in the care of English Heritage whose representatives, The Ivanhoe Trust, manage it and a visitors' centre contains items of interest about the castle and locality. The Trust frequently organise events designed to attract the attention of the public to this splendid monument and it is hoped to roof and floor the keep.During the early 1940s the Duchess of Yarborough graciously gave permission for the l0th Doncaster, 2nd Conisbrough Scout Troop to hold a garden party in the inner ward.Over £20 was raised by charging one old penny admission and another at the various booths and sideshows
William de Warenne, 2nd Earlmarried 1112 FranceIsabel de Vermandois
b1071 died 5-11-1138 Lewes, Sussex, Englandb1081 died 2-13-1130/31Vol 1 Memoirs of the Ancient Earls
RouenWilliam Rufus gives his father the Title of First Earl
The widow is Countess of Meuilent
2nd Earl of Surrey.He commanded the 3rd Division of the Kings Army in the Battles of Tinchbray and Brenneville and was named the Governor of Rouen.He married Isabel de Vermandois, daughter of Hugh the Great, king of France
It is through Isabel de Vermandois that the lineage goes back to CHARLEMAGNE
William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (given this title not by the Conqueror but by his son William Rufus) died in 1088 after being hit in the leg by an arrow at the siege of Pevensey,I can't yet find a reliable source for his birth date but he was noted as being of very similar age to the Conqueror and also died in his 61st year which gives a birth date of 1027-1028.
Now Gundred died in childbirth in 1085 and was supposedly then about 35 years of age.It is also reported that she married William Warren when 16 or 17 years of age.This would suggest a birth date of about 1049/1050 but others say up to 3 years later
William Warren was at the Battle of Mortemer in 1054.Remember also that he fought with William the Conqueror at Hastings in 1066, one of only about twenty who have been proved to have been there.
William the Conqueror the 7th Duke of Normandy was born in Falaise, Normandy in 1027, he marrried 1049-1050 Matilda, daughter of Baldwin V. 7th Count of Flanders, William died in 1087 supposedly in his 61 st. year.
According to Muirhead p45-46
LEWES and its importance dates from William de Warenne's foundation of the castle and the priory cc1075-1088.Henry 111 built the town walls in 1264, where he was defeated by Simon de Montford at the Battle of Lewes 1264.
On a height near the middle of the town stands the Norman Castle of Lewes, almost blocking the pass through the Downs.Warenne's keep, on its motte"with 13th century additions", is a ruin.The Church of St. John preserves in the south chapel, they leaden coffins of Wm de Warenne d 1088 and his wife "also her carved tomb slab".Behind the church and Bissected by the railway lie the extensive but rather formless ruins of the Priory of St. Pancras, once the most important Cluniac house in Brittain, founded in 1075 by "Wm de Warenne" and demolished by Thomas Cromwell in 1539.Beneath the site of the high altar the coffins of the founders were discovered in 1845
One of Gundrada teeth is in the museum in Lewes close to where she is buried
THE WARREN FAMILY AD 912-1902 Gresham
Gundreda, wife of William first Earl of Warren and Surrey, died in child birth at Castle Acre, 27th May 1085 and was buried inthe chapter house of the Priory of Lewes.The gravestone which once covered her remains was discovered in 1775 in Issfield Church Co., Sussex.
The Earl had by his wife Gunded two sons and three daughters, William, Reginald, Gundred, Edith and ??William succeeded his father as second Earl of Warren and Surrey, Reginald who adhered to Robert Curthose married Alice daughter and heiress of William de Wormgay in Norfolk.
The Earl died 24th June 1088 and was buried in the same place with his wife.
William the Conqueror died on Thursday September 9, 1087 supposedly in his 61st yearHis private name was SACKVILLE or Wm the Conqueror also called Guillaume 1 "Le Conquberant" De Normandie
William the Conqueror was born October 14, 1024 in Falaise, Normandy.He was the illegitimate son of Robert 1st, 6th Duke of Normandy and Herleve or Arlette, the daughter of a tanner of that town.He died in Hermenbraville, Rouen, France 9 Sept. 1087 supposely in his 61st year,
Knighted when 15 years old ca1043
Matilda his Queen died 2nd Nov. 1083.Their marriage date is argued between 1049-1053
Both are buried in Caen, Normandy, in the Abbeys which they founded to appease the Pope because they had married without permission.William is in St. Etienne, Matilda is in Trinity
Herleve, William's mother later married Herluin, vicomte of Conteville and produced 2 famous sons, Odo, bishop of Bayeux and Robert, count of Mortain
William and Matilda's offspring included 4 sons, 2 of whom became kings of England.In order of Birth they are:
Robert b c1054 died 1134 "buried in Gloucester Cathedral, England"He was the 8th Duke of Normandy
Richard b c1054 died 1075 "Killed by a Stag in the New Forest, England
William "2nd" known as Rufus b 1057 - 1060 died 1100 "succeeded William the Conqueror as King.Killed by an arrow in the New Forest
Henry 1st b 1068 died 1135 "becane the 3rd Norman King of England" He married firstly Matilda of Scotland 1100 & secondly Adela of Louvain 1121
There daughters are more problematical because they are not so well documented.Although all the birth dates are not known, clearly some would have been born between their brothers.In France they admit to six daughters
named Agathe, Constance, Adele, Cecile, Adelize and Matilda
In England they list them as:
Cicely a nun in the monastery of Fecamp died 1127
Constantia married Alan Fergent, count of Brittany m 1075 died 1090
Alice contracted to Harold
Adela married Stephen, earl of Blois died 1137
Agatha, died a virgin but betrothed to the King of Galicia
The greatest Norman historian of the 20th Century professor David Douglas in one of his later works said that he believed that in addition there was at least one and possibly a second unmarried daughter.
The 14 Century manscript shows William and nine of his children does not claim to show all of them.It has also been suggested that those who became nuns were not included in drawings because effectly they were not in this world
Putting the Warrens into context here, William Warren first Earl of Surrey died in 1088 after being hit in the foot by an arrow at the siege of Pevensey castle supposedly, like the "Conqueror", also in his 61st year and was buried in Lewes "otherwise known as St. Pancras priory", which suggests a birth date of about 1027
His wife Gundred died in child birth at Castle Acre, the second of the Warren castles, 27th May 1085 aged about 35 years, buried in the priory of Lewes and with a possible birth date of 1049.1050.She could therefore have been the first child of William and Matilda, either in or out of wedlock
The suggestion is that Gundred came to England in 1067 with Matilda and married William Warren that same year
William, the first earl of Surrey was given this title, not as a reward by William the Conqueror as is often stated but by William's son William Rufus after the death of his father.Gundred was therefore a countess only in respect of the "Norman Warren" title, never was she countess of Surrey and there does not seem to be any evidence that she was ever called "princess of England"
William the Conqueror & William de Warrenne fought in the Battle of Hastings in 1066
Caen, the capital of Calvados, Normandy, was the ancient CADOMUM in the early part of the 11th century, rose to importance in the time of William the Conqueror.He built the castle and the two abbeys whose beautiful churches are still the chief ornaments of the town.The town was pillaged in 1346 by Edward 111 of England, Caen at the time was "a city greater than any in England save London"
LaTrinite - the church of the "Abbye aux Dames" was founded in 1062 by Matilda, wife of William the Conqueror, while the latter at the same time, founded the church of the Abbaye-aux-Hommes+ as an expiation of the sin they had committed in marrying within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity " Baedeker "Northern France" pg 170-171
Battle Abbey:the imposing "ruins" are battlemented and turrected, the east wing was rebuilt by Sir Anthony Browne c 1539 The original Abbey Church is about 225 ft long has practically disappeared and all that remains visible is part of the undercroft of the 14th century eastern extension.The high altar was built on the actual spot where Harolds body was found.On the south side of the church was the cloister, the west arcade of which with perp tracery is incorporated in the east side of the house.Adjoining the scanty remains "of the original abbey" of the Parlour and the wall and gable of the ruined 13th century dormitory, built on a slope.Underneath the fine marbled columns are three fine vaulted chambers.the WARMING ROOM, the MORTUARY CHAPEL and the SCRIPTORIUM.Browne built the great GUEST HOUSE, two turrets of which survive.From a broad walk commanding a view of the battlefield, includes the heights of Senlac "the hill" and of TELHAM "across the valley" where the NORMANS encamped the night before the battle.
At Castle Acre
3.5 miles North of Swaffham, and 4 miles east of Narborough, are the picturesque late Norman ruins of an extensive clumiac Priory, founded by William de Warenne in 1090 at Castle Acre - the architecural ruins are trifling stood on enormous earthworks, probably of early Norman origin.Nearby is the Barbican which some authorities assign a Roman Orgin
Muirhead p 581
Reigate Castle, Sussex with its curious caverns and their association with the Magna Charta Barons is quite apocraphal according to Muirheads England p 49
Pevensey Bay "according to Muirhead" was the landing place of William the Conqueror in 1066.Beyond the E. E. church is Pevensey castle a Norman castle and a keep gegun c 1080.A gatehouse and inner bailey added in the 13th century.It stands in the S E angle of an enclosure of abt 10 acres.surrounded by a Roman Wall.This was the Roman Anderida, one of the great fortresses of the Saxon Shore.Taken in 491 by the Saxons who slow all that dwelt there not one Briton left p 41
To give you an idea of the land that William de Warenne, First Earl owned I have listed what I have found:
Domesday year 1086 Land owned by William de Warenne, 1st Earl
At Christmas 1085 William had "deep speech" with his council and as a result ordered a general survey of the land to be made. Historians have debated the purpose of this "Domesday" survey, some seeing it as primarily a tax assessment, others emphasizing its importance as a basis for assignment of feudal rights and duties. Its form owed much to Anglo-Saxon precedent, but within each county section it was organized on a feudal basis. It was probably a multipurpose document with the main emphasis on resources for taxation. It was incomplete, for the far north of England, London, and Winchester were not included, while the returns for Essex, Norfolk, and Suffolk were not condensed into the same form as was used for the rest of the country. Domesday is a unique record and offers rich materials for research.
The lands of William de Warenne at the time of the Domesday Survey 1086
The following is a list of those settlements in England with which William de Warenne had some right of ownership.In 1088, Earl William was made Earl of Surrey, a title which carried with it numerous other lands and possessions which are not recorded in the Domesday Survey as belonging to the Earl Warenne.
Broughton (nr Aylesbury)
Chardwell (formerly Ainsworth)
Hunt's Hall (Formerly Pooley)
Morley St Botolph
Plumstead (Nr Holt)
Repps (Northreppst + Southrepps)
Rockland St Peter
Burgh (near Woodbridge)
Covehithe (formerly North Hales)
Thorington (near Dunwich)
NONE (note. In 1088 William de
Warenne was given the Earldom of
Surrey with all its lands).
Yorkshire, North Riding
Yorkshire, East Riding
Yorkshire, West Riding
Bramley (in Leeds)
Bramley (near Rotherham)
8TH EARL OF SURREY, EARL OF SUSSEX and STRATHERN, SCOTLAND, GOVERNOR OF SCOTLAND: He inherited Surrey and Sussex from his grandfather. John .Was knighted with the Prince of Wales. He married JOAN de BAR, daughter of Henry, Count de Bar, and Eleanor, eldest daughter of King Edward I.
JOHN de WARENNE AND JOAN de BAR HAD NO LEGAL ISSUE.
John took at least two mistresses, MATILDA de NERFORD of Norfolk, and ISABELLA de HOLLAND, daughter of Robert de Holland and Matilda, Earl of Kent. John and his mistresses children were of course illegitimate, so his titles and properties were passed to the son of John's sister Alice and the Earl of Arundel, Richard Fitz-Alan, the 2nd Earl of Arundel. In 1316, he was excommunicated for adultery with Isabel de Houland and Maud de Neirford, there were several children by both liaisons. He later married Isabel. The childen of John and his mistresses were:
William, prior of Horton, Kent
Joan de Basing
Isabella, Cannoness of Sempriogh
The Last Earl Warenne
John died in 1304 and, since his own son William had been killed at a tournament in Guildford in 1286, he was succeeded by his eighteen-year-old grandson John. A marriage was arranged for him to Joan de Barr, granddaughter of King Edward I. This was not a happy marriage and there were no children; John was thus the eighth and last Earl Warenne. By 1313 Earl John was separated from his wife. Then began a series of efforts to obtain a divorce which were repeatedly unsuccessful. At last it seemed in 1316 that the divorce would be allowed, but once again judgement went against Earl John and, rightly or wrongly, he held Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, responsible for the failure of his case. Intending insult rather than romance, therefore, Earl John abducted Lancaster's wife Alice. Lancaster retaliated by promptly divorcing her and seizing the Warenne castles of Sandal and Conisbrough from his seat at Pontefract in November 1317. At this point King Edward II intervened and an uneasy agreement was reached, under which Earl Thomas retained the Yorkshire castles.
Lancaster did not hold Conisbrough for long , for in 1322 he led a rebellion against the King which ended with the battle of Boroughbridge. Thomas was captured and tried for treason, found guilty then executed outside the walls of his own castle at Pontefract. Subsequently Conisbrough was then held by Edward II until 1326, the king stayed briefly at Conisbrough in November 1322, in 1324 he ordered the expenditure of up to 40 marks on repairing the towers and walls of the castles at Pontefract and Conisbrough.
The castle was delivered back to John de Warenne in 1326. He seems to have regained security of tenure during the early years of the reign of Edward III, and certainly by 1331-32. Though unable to divorce his wife, John had two sons by Maud de Nerford who had been the wife of Sir Simon de Derby. By a conveyance ratified by the king, John attempted to secure the tenure of the manor and castle of Conisbrough for his two sons and for Maud after his death; but the careful plan went awry, for John outlived all three and died heirless in 1347.
John de Warenne, 8th Earl of Warren & Sussex, inherited from his grandfather. Aceded in 1304.
The last Earl of Warren and Surrey was the aforementioned John de Warenne, grandson of the seventh Earl.He had been brought up by this grandfather and so had strongly developed military bent.When Edward I married him to his granddaughter Joanthere could hardly be a greater mesalliance.The two were quite incompatible and parted after only three years; John de Warenne to go gratefully off to the wars in Scotland.Edward I died shortly after and was succeeded by his son, Edward II .De Warenne accompanied the King to France for his espousals and, when war was resumed with Scotland, returned to do battle once more.
His marriage to Joan nee de Barr was a disaster.However, they did have a son, Edward, who predeceased him.Unfortunately this child did nothing for his marriage.Instead, John lived with a noblewoman, Maud de Nereford, by whom, over the years , he had six children, three of them males, who used the surname of de Warren.There are two petitions made by Edward the King on behalf of these illegitimate children, to the Pope:
"The King to the Venerable in Christ: whereas our cousin John, Earl of Warenne, had two natural sons, our cousins Masters John and William de Warenne, begotten by him on a noblewoman, not married, the King asks for support of his application to th e Pope on their behalf."
"Edward to the Most Holy in Christ, lauds John, Earl of Warren, whose lawful son and heir is dead, and asks benefices for the two illegitimate sons."
However, since two of these illegitimate sons were ecclesiastics, they were celibate.It is highly unlikely that they would have permitted any of their illegitimate children (if any) to use the de Warenne name.
About the third son, Thomas, nothing is known.Watsonassumes that he predeceased his father, since all the other children were cared for in John's will of 1304.
De Warenne, the eighth Earl, had troubles on a larger canvas:He had been steadfast in his loyalty and allegiance to Edward II, but had sided with those who worked to banish Piers Gaveston, the King's homosexual partner.However, when Edward rei nstated Gaveston, de Warenne felt forced to abandon the King.An additional complication was that his cousin, Roger Mortimer, who headed the anti-Gaveston group, was also the Queen's lover.De Warenne, with Henry of Pembroke, Robert Clifford an d others, laid siege to the castle of Scarborough, where Gaveston had retreated.The favourite surrendered and was taken to Warwick Castle, where he was beheaded.De Warenne does not seem to be involved in the later, and most gruesome murde r of the King.
The Earl died without legitimate issue and his estates largely went to his sister Alice Fitz-Alan, the wife of the Earl of Arundel despite the fact that there were surviving children of the marriage of the seventh Earl of Surrey to Joan de Mowbray .The eldest son of that marriage, John, died without issue.Of the second son, Robert, records are silent but the third son, Edward, married in Ireland.
His title to the earldom was never claimed. The estates went to his sister Alice who was married to Edmund Fitz-Alan, Earl of Arundel and they merged into those estates.
Sir Edward de Warenne (born ca. 1316/23, d. c. 1367/8),
reputedlly the ancestor of the Warren family of Poynton, Cheshire.I
studied the matter this past week and found conclusive evidence which
resolved the matter.
The available sources show that John de Warenne, 8th Earl of Surrey
(died 1347) had a mistress, Maud de Nerford, by whom he had several
illegitimate children, including sons, John and Thomas.In his will
dated 1347, he specifically names a son, Edward, who people have
claimed was the ancestor of the Warren family of Poynton.
That Edward is indeed the son of John, 8th Earl and Maud de Nerford,
as well as the ancestor of the Poynton family is proved by several
records.In 1323, Blomefield reports that Sir Ralph de Skeyton
conveyed the reversion of the manors of Booton and Skeyton, Norfolk to
Maud de Nerford and her sons, Ralph and Edward.Maud subsequently
received a release from Sir Ralph de Skeyton's sister and heir, Alice
Hauteyn, in 1345.Maud died soon afterwards as she was reported to be
deceased later that year.At this point, the manors of Booton and
Skeyton, Norfolk fell to her son, Edward de Warenne, in accordance
with the settlement of 1323.The same year, Edward's father, the
Earl, wrote to the Chancellor saying that Edward, then a knight, was
ready to go abroad with the king and requested that Edward holding
lands in Norfolk be released for a demand for furnishing a
man-at-arms.Edward continued to hold Booton and Skeyton and they
subsequently were held by his male heirs, the Warren family of
Poynton.Edward was still living in 1365, but presumably died in or
about 1367/8, when his younger sons, William and Edward, released all
their right in the manor of Booton.Edward married Cecily de Eton,
the daughter of Nicholas de Eton, of Rotley, co. Warwick, by Joan,
daughter and heiress of Robert de Stockport, of Poynton, Cheshire.
The Warren arms (with a canton for Nerford) quartered with the arms of
Eton and Stockport were formerly found in the church window at Booton,
Norfolk.On the death of an Eton cousin about 1370, Edward and
Cecily's son, John, became heir to the Eton and Stockport estates,
including Poynton, Cheshire.The Warenne (or Warren) family was
thereafter seated at Poynton.