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Letter of 4/26/98 to Robert G. Horn, via e-mail, from Helen Tindall Polly:
My information is that the wife of Josiah Horn who died in Montgomery
County TN was Elizabeth HUNTER. However, I have been unable to either
prove or disprove that.
Josiah Horn's daughter Winifred Horn married Obadiah Tindall, Jr. in
Montgomery County Tn ca 1816. They are my great-great-grandparents who
migrated to Howard County, Missouri, 1823 or 1824, with the rest of the
Obadiah Tindall, Sr. family. O. Jr. died 1828 and Winifred died ca 1845
in Howard County, MO.
In 1909, one Richard Gentry published a book about the Gentry family and
related families. One of the related families being TINDALL. He said:
Obadiah Tindall, Jr. born in Virginia, m. Winifred Horn, who lived
12 miles east of Clarksville, Montgomery County, Tenn. Her father, Josiah
Horn, was a Baptist preacher and her mother was Elizabeth Hunter, whose
family was from South Carolina and her father Colonel Hunter served in the
Revolutionary War as a colonel of a regiment.
There was a Col. Hunter in South Carolina, and I believe his wife was
named Elizabeth, but I have not been able to prove that he had a daughter
named Elizabeth who married Josiah Horn. There was a Josiah Horn family
and a Moses Horn family in Orange District SC in the 1790 census. Josiah
had 1 male (16+), 2 (-16) and 4 females. He must have married earlier
Josiah Horn was on the 1800 Montgomery County Tn tax list as owning 230 A.
on Blooming Grove Creek. According to a local history of Blooming Grove
Creek Baptist Church it was organized in 1801, and Josiah Horn was the
first minister and served for 25 years.
Most of the other info in the Gentry book has been pretty accurate, and I
never had any reason to doubt the HUNTER bit, but, on the other hand, I've
never been able to prove or disprove it. I have tried. I'm one of those
people who want PROOF. We've been to Montgomery County, TN; had a
genealogist do some research. Have been to Camden area South Carolina,
where Col. Hunter was said to have been imprisoned by Lord Rawdon; have
searched military records, marriage records and will records, but have
Helen Tindall Polly
Initially I was skeptical of the possibility of validity of this information, and expressed this impression to Mrs. Polly in the following letter, excerpted here:
2 May 1998, from Robert G. Horn:
Re: the wife of Josiah Horn of Montgomery county TN
Hello, Helen Polly,
I enjoyed your response to my query regarding information about the name and ancestry of Josiah's wife Elizabeth.
I was aware of your interchange with Tom King on Horn-List in October of 1997.
Given the relative certainty with which he pronounced that Josiah's wife surname was truly BUNN, I finally got in touch with him by Mail and E-mail and asked him for some corroboration of his belief that she was a BUNN. He replied that he would locate the sources of his information, but after many weeks and several reminders I still have not heard from him. I suspect he cannot find the documentation, if he actually has it. Tom King said he thought the information that Josiah Horn married Elizabeth BUNN was from Quaker church records in NC, but I have pretty exhaustively searched the multivolume published Quaker records available to me without finding any such information.
I first learned of the Bunn theory of Elizabeth's surname from a Family- Tree- -Maker Pedigree on their CD#4, pedigree #1402, submitted by James Doyle of Friendswood TX. Much of the material on Doyle's 1402 pedigree confirms what I have from other sources, and thus the work appears generally of very good quality. Doyle has very generously sent me a lot of other of his source material, which I have found extremely valuable. However, with several polite further inquiries, he has not responded to my request for the sourcing for the name of Josiah's spouse, as Elizabeth BUNN. He is a very nice guy, and I am sure he simply cannot find any reliable sourcing which he might have had.
I wish I thought you were right about my Josiah's wife being Elizabeth Hunter of SC. Unfortunately, I cannot find any support for it, and there are a number of apparent facts which seem to contradict that theory.
1. No daughters are listed to Josiah and his wife.
2. No Winifred Horn is known to me.
3. I know of no connection of this Josiah to SC. In particular, the Josiah Horn you mention listed in the 1790 census in the Orange District of SC with a family including 4 females does not appear to be the Josiah who bought the 230 acres on Blooming Grove Creek.I could almost believe Josiah went down to SC in the early 1790's and wooed and wed Elizabeth Hunter, without leaving much of a trace of it. But if so, how did they not leave some trace of Winifred in the family records in Tennessee. Do you have any documentation of the location of Winifred Horn in Montgomery county TN except the Gentry book? If so, let me know.\
4. I have also been intrigued by the fact that in the data supplied by Jim Doyle, from GOK where, Josiah Horn and Elizabeth Bunn are listed with a son James, b 1787, who came with Josiah from NC and raised a family in TN, and yet the marriage of Josiah and Elizabeth is given as 1790-1792 in that source. I have considered that James was the son of Elizabeth by a prior marriage, but I have no evidence to support this consideration. This James must have existed, since his family is pretty well documented, but in the "family data" I have, this James is not listed as a son of Josiah. This only adds to the general feeling of murkiness about the origin of Josiah's wife, Elizabeth.
However, Mrs. Polly pointed out in a later letter that her gggrandmother Winifred Horn Tindall named one son Josiah and another son Cordell !!!
Helen Polly wrote on 2 May, 1998:
" Whether or not you can find her in Montgomery County TN I am
convinced that she was a daughter of Josiah Horn, pastor of Blooming Grove
Baptist Church, and that she named a son Josiah for her father, and
another son Cordell for her brother.....Whether he was the same Horn who
was in Orange District SC, I have no proof.
Further study of this point and related matters is clearly in order.
[It is at least conceivable that Josiah was previously married and both ' Winifred' and James were by his first wife.Alternate scenarios are clearly possible.]16 Feb 1999, RGH.